From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 20 19:56:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74E2106568B for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C148FC17 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CE6EB4877; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC49160CF4; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:39 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3nqFVIAC99F6; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-192-20.home.otenet.gr [94.64.192.20]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C99D160CE1; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o1KJucxU004404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o1KJubE5004400; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri In-Reply-To: <242758.48200.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri's message of "Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:32:20 -0800 (PST)") Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:57:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87y6in4tws.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <87vdduespd.fsf@kobe.laptop> <242758.48200.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: NetBSD 5.0 looks cool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:56:42 -0000 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:32:20 -0800 (PST), Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> NetBSD needs a *very* minimal set of POSIX tools to build, e.g. you can >> get away with an sh(1) utility and a pretty basic make(1) tool. They >> have really done a magnificent job at constructing a build system that >> can bootstrap itself from a tiny set of build tools. >> >> FreeBSD also has _some_ of the necessary build glue to do similar sort >> of stuff, but AFAIK we only support cross-building from one FreeBSD >> architecture to another FreeBSD architecture. So you need to have at >> least *some* version of FreeBSD to build another. > > How about these bench vs FreeBSD?! > > http://www.netbsd.org/~ad/50/img11.html > http://www.netbsd.org/~ad/50/img13.html > http://www.netbsd.org/~ad/50/img15.html NetBSD 5.0 is indeed a major step forward for NetBSD. This presentation was what convinced me to give NetBSD a try back when 5.0 came out. I have been running it at home for a while now. The only systems I have at home right now are FreeBSD and NetBSD. There are both nice systems; I like both of them and it's very nice to see how BSD is definitely *not* dying by using the various BSDs and seeing how they keep moving forward :-)