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From: Matt Garber In-Reply-To: <5d74a839-50ef-d8c0-b541-15d9b875b7e2@netfence.it> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 12:35:00 -0400 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <97B1D23D-1A22-4002-8FC3-4ACF6986CD44@gmail.com> References: <201905151544.x4FFiR0G067138@fire.js.berklix.net> <6CE35CEB-C2AB-47B1-AA86-BC9C91B2B8A6@gmail.com> <5d74a839-50ef-d8c0-b541-15d9b875b7e2@netfence.it> To: Andrea Venturoli X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BEE7A94905 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=nW9NfqKw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mattgarber@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::842 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mattgarber@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.82)[ip: (1.48), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.25), asn: 15169(-2.26), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 16:35:03 -0000 > On May 15, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >=20 > On 5/15/19 6:16 PM, Matt Garber wrote: >=20 >> Exactly. If batching 8 (or more) individual bugs/issues together into >> one release is really causing admin/manpower overload and angst,then >> maybe it=E2=80=99s time in your situation to use the binary updates = (which >> would only be a single `freebsd-update` and reboot, so there would >> be no =E2=80=98sudden unplanned outages=E2=80=99) rather than = tracking src and >> remediating each individual bug at a time. >=20 > Maybe I'm dumb, but I still don't get what "src vs binary" has to do = with "8 vs 1"... > I ran a single "svn update; make buildworld; make kernel; make = installworld; reboot", not 8... >=20 > bye > av. Agreed. But if, say, you were tracking specific svn revisions rather = than just jumping to the latest, I *guess* it might involve 8 separate = builds? I certainly prefer one, batched downtime event to address across all = affected systems, regardless of binary updates or src, and I imagine = most other individuals/companies/organizations do, too. -- Matt