Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:21:07 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Fred C" <fred@bsdhost.net>, <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: Google Chrome Message-ID: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCEEOCCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <A145CE3B-217D-437C-B701-8670FD5AF43B@bsdhost.net>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Fred C > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:42 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt > Subject: Re: Google Chrome > > > > On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Fred C > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:21 PM > >> To: RW > >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> Subject: Re: Google Chrome > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:21 PM, RW wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:47:34 +0200 (CEST) > >>> Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > >>> > >>>>> For most people that's already happened, except that it's > >>>>> Adobe-Flash WWW. Google's approach of open-source software, and > >>>>> open-extensions, leading to new standards, sounds a lot better to > >>>>> me. > >>>> > >>>> except it leads to google-everything. not even a bit better than > >>>> microsoft-everything > >>> > >>> There's a lot of difference. Microsoft has always tried to undermine > >>> standards because standards give its competitors a more level- > >>> playing > >>> field, which is what Google needs for its webapps to compete with > >>> Microsoft's desktop applications. I don't see how that's bad for > >>> anyone except Microsoft. > >> > >> So you mean that google is learning from the Microsoft mistakes. Or > >> maybe > >> google need to get along with the standards for now, but as soon as > >> they have > >> secured the market they will define the standards as they need it to > >> be for their > >> benefit. > >> > > > > Since they are defining standards that are implemented in open source > > code under BSD license I don't see the problem. > > > > You can complain the day that Adobe releases the source for Acrobat > > Reader, and Flash, under BSD license, and Google closes the source for > > Chrome, OK? > > I am not saying what they are doing is not good for the community. > Like everyone > here I thing that's great. Not only because it's one more pice of > freesoftware. Also > because that will force web developers to use standards instead of > specificities only > available on IE. I am just saying that what they are doing is for > their own good and > not for the good of mankind. Their business model doesn't rely on > software ownership > but on data mining. > I actually don't think that everyone here is naieve enough to believe that Google is doing this purely for altruistic reasons. Just about every open source program ever written was written for the good of the programmer, not for the good of the community. The programmer needed a piece of software, he created it, and saw that it was good. The sharing comes later. Philosophers have been arguing for centuries that nobody does anything for altruistic reasons. Keep that in mind when you turn on the RNC and watch all the speeches from the politicians saying they are running to "fix" America. Such altruism!!! ;-) Seriously, what Google is doing is exactly like what AT&T did when they sent out source of the early UNIX to all those colleges and universities, so many years ago. From that grew BSD UNIX and FreeBSD. But it wasn't done to help UCB, it was done to help AT&T! Google is just going back to the original UNIX software model that reigned before the coming of Sauron and the Great Software Darkness. Ted
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