From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 19 12:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF2D16A47B for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E680943D48 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:00:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so994583wra for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:00:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AVQ1PBNJzwjH+EAb1kscmnUcB7pmS6kta0uqeZByifxBk/W28fJTKiUeQMOULt6ih1UtUBf36+1ZwFZT03t31IThSQCDfPVEwOvAt2MCmatq+PPgozGTvK1UWAPT+sz7cMRBiHVruyvTq/dfUvVM4WxIiJcO1dgnxm5Hcxn0Q2Y= Received: by 10.54.89.9 with SMTP id m9mr4364711wrb; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?195.16.87.34? ( [195.16.87.34]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 26sm6992453wrl.2006.06.19.05.00.28; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <449691D9.4020704@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:00:25 -0500 From: Dennis Olvany User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060211) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <4495F9A1.8040407@gmail.com> <867j3dwjq3.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <867j3dwjq3.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Hoffman , freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, thisdayislong , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ingrid@cityscope.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:00:34 -0000 >> facts are not eligible for copyright. > plain facts are not copyrightable, as you point out, their expression > certainly is. The concept of a fact obviously may not be copyrighted because it is merely a concept. Barring descriptive literary devices, the facts may be copied at will in their expressed form. A photo, being a descriptive device, is copyrightable. Considering the example of the Haynes manual, I can extract factual information --such as a starter change procedure-- from the manual word-for-word and use it. The hysteria of the original poster remains unjustified as he will find that the usage of the article in question falls squarely under the veil of fair use, which still does not infer the work is copyrightable.