From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 29 16:58:51 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA10421 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:58:51 -0800 Received: from dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU [130.155.16.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA10415 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:58:49 -0800 Received: from megadata.mega.com.au by dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (4.1/5.17) id AA15169; Thu, 30 Mar 95 10:58:26 EST (from andrew@mega.com.au) Received: by megadata.mega.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1/MEGA) id AA16143; Thu, 30 Mar 95 10:58:36 EST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 10:58:36 EST From: Andrew McRae Message-Id: <9503300058.AA16143@megadata.mega.com.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD support for realtime systems X-Face: *Ca*Qw_'S?uT3u}"Y,-b[rIRFm*7MaD8zp6$7B?r8k&iGt4'2W@WFXSrP:%Dqk,V8Gap Jer pj*qHbFA!k4YDR"~iAO&gp*T=!KG*'c0:],:l}0(oAm?pdjC0.V{2%3v,w8pwqiL7$^}][Kiz- Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is starting to get off the track a bit concerning FreeBSD, but it is of interest for people who are interested in what FreeBSD *is* being used for around the place. Peter da Silva writes: >We are currently running a "soft" real time (SCADA) system on UNIX with >realtime extensions. I haven't tried running real time on traditional UNIX. We are running soft real time systems on SunOS, OSF/1 and HP/UX (Peter's probably seen our MOSAIC product running) but these are not running `hard' real time; IMHO, running real time extensions on Unix to try to make it hard real time is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. There are just *so* many things to change that I question whether it is worthwhile - it's like the antique chair that was so old I had to replace the back, the seat and three legs, but it's still an antique :-) . I think the *real* real time stuff needs to go into embedded (or similar) systems running something like QNX etc., but that Unix (or FreeBSD) does have a significant place in the rest of the complete `real time' system. I have a saying that goes, "a few extra MIPS covers a multitude of sins". At least with things like FreeBSD I can *cheaply* put together a system that's fast enough to *appear* real time without the nasty tricks. But more specifically about FreeBSD, we are starting to install FreeBSD as part of our Substation Management Systems, where FreeBSD can be run on industrial PCs and be more stable and reliable than Windows. The value of running FreeBSD is: - Good networking (fast, reliable, good tools etc.) - Multi-tasking (i.e. allow remote logins etc.) - Cheap! I can't fault the price :-) - X is available for graphical man machine interfaces. - It can run on a wide range of products, right from roll-your-own cheap PCs to industrial PCs to laptops sitting in a rack. - It is possible to maintain without reliance on a disinterested software vendor. - We ourselves can influence the contents of FreeBSD by creating our own schedulers and changes to make it more responsive. There is probably no reason why our mainstream `big' product can't be ported to FreeBSD - someone ported it to Linux, but ran into networking problems - FreeBSD would be a much more natural system for it to be ported to. The point is that I think FreeBSD can be a major win for niche software developers like ourselves (I said `niche' not `nice' :-) Cheers, Andrew McRae inet: andrew@mega.com.au MITS Real Time Ltd, uucp: ..!uunet!mega.com.au!andrew North Ryde 2113 Phone: +61 2 805 0899 NSW AUSTRALIA Fax: +61 2 887 4847