From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 24 16:33:04 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id QAA25880 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:33:04 -0800 Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA25874; Fri, 24 Mar 1995 16:33:01 -0800 Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA25189 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 03:15:20 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sat, 25 Mar 95 03:15:19 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by astral.msk.su (8.6.8/8.6.6) id DAA01758; Sat, 25 Mar 1995 03:13:34 +0300 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@freefall.cdrom.com References: <24352.796086769@freefall.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <24352.796086769@freefall.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:49 -0800 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 03:13:34 +0300 X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.32 FreeBSD] From: "Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage" X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: httpd as part of the system. Lines: 36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1747 Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <24352.796086769@freefall.cdrom.com> Jordan K. Hubbard writes: >For example, I've had tons of complaints about gmake or bash not being >"part of the system", even though both are trivially available as both >ports and packages. Conversely, I've not received *one* complaint >from someone who's man command didn't work because they failed to load >the mandist. It may be a minor line in the sand from a technical >viewpoint, but it seems to be a pretty major one to the users. >Perhaps once the ports and packages are more obviously pointed out >in the installation process, this problem will become less manifest, >but I hesitate to rely on it. I have some experience in talking with users too (not especially about FreeBSD) and think, that installation must be MAXIMAL. All third-party working stuff must be in distribution, independent of generally needed or not. Users becames very happy in this case. I think, we need to write /usr/local/bin/* and all X stuff to base distribution too. Those system admins who don't want anything can simple remove it after install. I know one argument against it: user can't install FreeBSD on small disk, but from real life I know, that buying BIG disk for new OS give user less upset than missing anything in system. Spend money to new hardware he got something which he don't have, so he becomes more powerful, but when he miss something, he is really sick. Long live Maximal Installation! -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - FidoNet: 2:5020/230.3 : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849