Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:39:15 +0300 (EET DST) From: Stefan Parvu <sparvu@cc.hut.fi> To: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> Cc: Stefan Parvu <sparvu@cc.hut.fi>, Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>, Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, Kathy Quinlan <katinka@magestower.com>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, N6REJ <n6rej@tcsn.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10105141538460.9093-100000@alpha.hut.fi> In-Reply-To: <20010513134145.C62345@xor.obsecurity.org>
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ok guys Anyway having a WM with all the godies for FreeBSD would be nice.
stefan
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:41:45 -0700
> From: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
> To: Stefan Parvu <sparvu@cc.hut.fi>
> Cc: Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>,
Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>,
Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>,
Kathy Quinlan <katinka@magestower.com>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>,
N6REJ <n6rej@tcsn.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG,
freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: I'm leaving
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 03:02:58PM +0300, Stefan Parvu wrote:
> >
> > "default GUI install" is a subject to discuss. In my oppinion is not a
> > good idea because:
> >
> > 1. The core OS should be simple and simple to install. No GUI for that.
> > Make a comparations between Solaris, OpenBSD, Microsoft, Linux RedHat,
> > Suse. Time it and think again. As well look to the complexity of GUI
> > Install stuff.
> >
> > 2. The text mode is really cool. Is fast and it's simple. No extra effort.
> >
> > 3. No problems with video cards or VESA generic mode. Keep it simple. For
> > what do you need install GUI ??? Comfort ? Help for new users ???
> >
> > At least these 3 points makes a good point to keep the sysinstall stuff.
> > If new users come and want to learn the stuff is simple: Grab a doc and
> > read it. Why we should have a "right click" formula as Microsoft or other
> > commercial UNIXes does ??? Sysinstall anyway is simple to use more than
> > any GUI ...
>
> You've misunderstood. We're not talking about a replacement for
> sysinstall (though that is -- slowly -- being developed with the full
> understanding of what you said above in mind); we're talking about the
> capability for sysinstall to install a Window Manager + desktop
> environment for the user to provide a more friendly face than a csh
> prompt. Actually, we're not even talking about that; it's already
> existed for some time -- we were talking about someone actually making
> a nice, FreeBSD-customized desktop environment for one of the popular
> WMs (I don't personally care which).
>
> Kris
>
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