Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:30:00 -0800 From: Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com> To: Anthony Atkielski <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: in-kernel HTTP Server for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <3C71FEF8.BD18C88B@mindspring.com> References: <20020217143343.41758.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> <xzp4rkgf7n7.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no> <20020217163045.GB90303@voi.aagh.net> <3C703089.AD03554B@mindspring.com> <018501c1b816$2a9cb970$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C705564.E1EA2FDA@mindspring.com> <001c01c1b859$6ee18c80$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C70E8B2.168D9F56@mindspring.com> <010101c1b87a$10707190$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C7146A9.931F07EF@mindspring.com> <00a601c1b8ac$426670a0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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Normally, I do not take people apart in public forums; consider
yourself blessed.
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> > But you've already backed off from the web
> > based interface being a requirement, by ceding
> > that is also a native GUI interface.
>
> It wasn't my argument that it is a requirement. That was your argument, in
> your attempt to show why a dedicated, kernel-located HTTP server might be
> necessary.
#1: Anthony stating that IIS required a web based interface,
denying the existance of other interfaces.
Anthony Atkielski:
] I've never cared for anything that must be managed via HTTP.
] That's one reason why I don't like IIS.
#2: Anthony back tracking on his statement #1, when caught in
an overgeneralization.
Anthony Atkielski:
] Some products _must_ be managed that way. IIS requires either a Web-based
] interface or a GUI interface. I'm not aware of any text interface to the
] product.
#3: Anthony admitting that he's aware of the text interface he
claims ignorance of n statement #2, and denies the existance
of in statement #1.
Anthony Atkielski:
] If you can configure IIS from the command line with regedit, you have the
] patience of a saint. Just sifting through GUIDs takes all day, and that's
] _with_ documentation.
Johan von Schiller, pointing out the flaw Anthony's dismissal:
"Only those who have the patience to do simple things
perfectly will acquire the skill to do difficult things
easily." -- Johann von Schiller
---
> > I personally don't think they exist. I'm
> > questioning your implied premise here.
>
> It was your inference, not my implication.
Evidence that this it was Anthony's implied premise:
Anthony Atkielski:
] If the machine is not dedicated to HTTP, putting such functions in the
] kernel unnecessarily complicates and destabilizes the kernel.
Anthony Atkielski:
] All else being equal, more code equals more instability.
---
Anthony's claim that he's writen some of the Computer Science
literature:
Anthony Atkielski:
] Some computer-science literature was written by me. Does the fact that I
] put pen to paper guarantee that anything I write is fact?
NEC disagreeing with Anthony:
http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cs?q=Atkielski&submit=Search+Documents&cs=1
Without peer review, it's unlikely to be other than opinion.
---
> If you want to substantiate your opinions, start with axioms accepted by all
> and reason forward from there. Citations are valueless.
Sir Issac Newton disagreeing with Anthony's opinion on citations:
"If I have been able to see further, it was only because
I stood on the shoulders of giants." -- Sir Issac Newton
William of Occam disagreeing with the need to return to first
principles for everything:
"Entities ought not to be multiplied, except from necessity."
-- William of Occam
Ralph W. Sockman suggesting the need to be able to learn from
others, rather than having to derive everythinbg yourself:
"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline
of wonder." -- Ralph W. Sockman
Ivan Pavlov, on the accumulation of knowledge in general:
"Gradualness, gradualness, and gradualness. From the very
beginning of your work, school yourself to severe
gradualness in the accumulation of knowledge."
-- Ivan Pavlov
Samuel Johnson, on the use of references:
"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves,
or we know where we can find information on it."
-- Samuel Johnson
-- Terry
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