From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Wed Dec 21 00:56:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DC1C88669 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound1b.ore.mailhop.org (outbound1b.ore.mailhop.org [54.200.247.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 443F5194A for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-MHO-User: 4dcce6d5-c718-11e6-8c89-112185c90658 X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 73.78.92.27 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [73.78.92.27]) by outbound1.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 4dcce6d5-c718-11e6-8c89-112185c90658; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id uBL0uJCL004538; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:56:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1482281779.48539.41.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r310138 - head/lib/libc/stdio From: Ian Lepore To: cem@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd Cc: Baptiste Daroussin , src-committers , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:56:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <201612160144.uBG1ipjW016736@repo.freebsd.org> <49460793.UcUNovQMDa@ralph.baldwin.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:56:23 -0000 On Tue, 2016-12-20 at 15:50 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > I didn't get the same conclusion from the thread — I haven't seen a > persuasive argument for removal. > > Best, > Conrad > You're kidding, right?  Can you cite even a single message that supports the change?  My memory is that everyone who voiced an opinion said it was a bad idea, then the thread devolved into discussions of alternatives and how they were bad ideas too.  That latter bit doesn't change the basic fact that everyone started by agreeing this was a bad idea for userland. -- Ian > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Adrian Chadd > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > tl;dr - can we revert it from stdio for now so we don't end up > > having > > people use this? > > > > > > > > -adrian >