From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 21 21:21:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948F6243961 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48PPX50LZYz4Vmr; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 697D44E689; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:21:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Per Hedeland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ed Maste References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200220154101.GA53326@ghostyhead.chthonixia.net> <1d1cb3e8-ee64-41a7-ac5c-919d3985bd57@malikania.fr> <53C308C2-3537-45B5-A1A4-7945DA603852@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <061d7c2a-102c-795f-5258-c56d30f6bcaf@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:21:08 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PPX50LZYz4Vmr X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.834,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.12)[ip: (0.34), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.17), asn: 160(0.13), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:21:10 -0000 On 2020-02-21 15:18, Per Hedeland wrote: > On 2020-02-21 15:12, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> On February 21, 2020 8:07:57 AM CST, Ed Maste wrote: >>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 15:29, Per Hedeland wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2020-02-20 19:50, Ed Maste wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Modern laptops need an I2C touchpad driver, which isn't in the base >>>>> system yet. It's now available in the ports collection and can be >>>>> built standalone fairly easily; it works fine on my Lenovo X1 >>> Carbon >>>>> 7th generation. >>>> >>>> I'd be very interested in that - can you provide a more specific >>>> pointer than "in the ports collection"?:-) >>> >>> It's sysutils/iichid, added quite recently >>> https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/iichid/ >>> >>> I hope it is added to the base system soon; >> >> Not to the base system, please. > > Could you elaborate on that? I.e. do you not want the FreeBSD kernel > to support modern hardware, or do you not want the FreeBSD kernel to > support hardware that is only relevant for laptops/desktops, or...? > > Having kernel modules in ports is problematic, I don't think anyone > can disagree about that (but of course I may be wrong). There may be > reasons to do it anyway, here it seems that it's due to code that > needs more testing/experience and perhaps improvement before adding it > to the base system / standard kernel - seems eminently reasonable to > me. You are right and I am wrong. I stand corrected. Valeri > > --Per > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++