From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 11:46:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3213116A419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F6013C461 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JUF00KEAFDD5JT0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0ABkND3058970; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:46:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:46:23 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <20080110110052.GB10155@freebie.xs4all.nl> To: Wilko Bulte Message-id: <4786058F.8080101@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <88854.1199953554@critter.freebsd.dk> <4785D9CB.5080909@gmail.com> <4785E8A0.30806@gmail.com> <20080110110052.GB10155@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080104) Cc: Dominic Fandrey , Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:46:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wilko Bulte wrote: > Quoting Aryeh M. Friedman, who wrote on Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at > 04:42:56AM -0500 .. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>>> In message <478556AD.6090400@bsdforen.de>, Dominic Fandrey >>>> writes: >>>>> The first problem is [...] >>>> No. The first problem FreeBSD has, is that the users do not >>>> financially support enough full-time developers. >>> There are some possible solutions to the lack of funding >>> without having to ask corps for huge donations (they would >>> actually improve the amount of contributed work also in all >>> likellyhood.... see my blog >>> http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/index.php) >>> >>> >> Forgot to mention that the approach outline is fairly compatible >> with the BSD style of doing stuff (one of the other people >> involved with the effort is actually drafting a BSD style license >> that is 100% compatible with the current one (Free)BSD >> license)... see > > We need more licenses like we need a 3rd or 4th leg. What is wrong > with the standard BSD license please? I decided to elaborate slightly on the previous reply.... One thing that FOSS (BSD or GPL) has historical had issues doing cleanly is seperating free software from free beer. The first being a very important goal and the second a unfair side effect of thinking that open source by definition means free use of the products. Yes the source should be avaible to everyone but as far I can tell that does not automatically and should not translate into not having some responibility to the community that created the project in the first place.... my approach (along with 3 other small software vendors) is to have a requirement to contribute back to the community in some form (in work or help support those doing the work), namely it is free software but not free beer. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhgWPjRvRjGmHRgQRAuRVAJwI3RaUy8LhCxHVhaj6459KC6xNYwCgiGFb 8WccYzwJrPOzcKIiALsbjpU= =+mvU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----