From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Feb 25 14:10:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E4A37B406 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D863A43FE3 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b068.otenet.gr [195.167.121.196]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1PMA9Os008362 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:10:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h1PM9vPc004395 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:10:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id h1PJYnxu001815; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:34:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:34:49 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Willie Viljoen Cc: Wolfpaw - Dale Corse , hhorse@globalnet.co.uk, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No subject was specified. Message-ID: <20030225193449.GB980@gothmog.gr> References: <200302252041.38712.will@unfoldings.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302252041.38712.will@unfoldings.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-02-25 20:41, Willie Viljoen wrote: >On Tuesday 25 February 2003 20:36, someone, >possibly Wolfpaw - Dale Corse, typed: >> " now that people are making money from letting every Tom, Dick and >> Harry, so to speak, get on " >> >> That sounds dangerously close to the theories of a dictator, or a >> repressive government.. Russia and China come to mind. Why shouldn't they >> get on? It is a public internet after all. I don't know what country your >> in, but here we have something called the "Charter of Rights and >> Freedoms" which is supposed to entail freedom and equality for all. > > Oh don't get me wrong, I don't mind anybody getting on, but it would > be nice if ISPs would atleast take the responsibility to educate > their users before they let them on. That's a bit utopian in nature. ISPs don't care about education of users. They only care about their money, unless they don't work as a business and have other means of getting themselves an income. The Internet culture, if I may use the term, is something that depends on us, the old farts of the place to grow and reach those that you call `uneducated'. Education is not something that ISPs can sell in a package with the `connect fast with FooBar Networks, Inc.' CDROM disk. It's us that have to sit down and write polite replies when someone asks what seems a lot like a troll. The `holier than thou' attitude that is usually the result of what you described above is not going to help anyone. The newcomers to the networked world will quickly run away from anything related to computers and networks, screaming ``Oh, those absolutely mad lunatics are freaks that quickly jump upon anyone who asks honestly a simple question''. The ones left behind will shake their heads in amazement, agreeing that ``This is outrageous! I mean, did that &*^% troll really expect anyone to take her seriously and reply?''. Not good. Definitely not good :-/ Both are right, and at the same time, both are wrong. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message