From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 16 19:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8255D16A551 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:59:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE7E13C43E for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:59:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay6.apple.com (relay6.apple.com [17.128.113.36]) by mail-out3.apple.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0GJxGIS014494; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay6.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 857E110048; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:16 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807124-a1ce9bb000006d75-8e-45ad2e9485c6 Received: from [17.214.13.96] (unknown [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 6B2F410025; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <45ABECF2.5060605@splittingimage.com.au> References: <45ABECF2.5060605@splittingimage.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8153A832-8FA3-47C7-8F0A-A4CA9271CBC3@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:15 -0800 To: joe@splittingimage.com.au X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What have you done for me lately !!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:59:17 -0000 On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Joe Arcaro wrote: > Maybe this is just a rant, But I'll vent anyway. Actually, I think you've graduated beyond "just ranting" to full- fledged trolling. > I've been watching with some skepticism, the whole apple circus > freak fanboy show ... Enjoy yourself. If you ever get tired of watching Apple, for your next trick, you could try looking into a mirror. > I was just curious, does it not bother any of the BSD developers > that Apple inc (TM) has based its entire business model on open > source software, and yet seems to have given little if any thing > back in return. To your knowledge, anyway. Oddly enough, Apple employs several BSD developers (mainly in the Core OS, networking, or devtools groups), in much the same fashion that OSDL employs Linus Torvalds and companies like IBM, RedHat, Novell, Debian, and so forth employ other Linux developers. > I have on occasion looked at the apple web site, and never has > apple even given credit to any form of BSD ! While you could go to www.apple.com and enter "BSD" into the little search bar, those tricky people at Apple might fool you by returning relevant links. So instead, go try searching for "Apple BSD" at Google or Yahoo. The first two hits are: http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/ Oops, nevermind-- those links are relevant, too. > Is this all just acceptable, have I missed the whole point of open > source (Give something back when you can) > or have I not read the fine print. Why yes, Apple using parts of the FreeBSD source code (and NetBSD, and OpenBSD, and even a bit of GPL'ed software from the Free Software Foundation) is acceptable. That's what the BSD license was designed to encourage and more generally is what OSI "Open Source Software" is supposed to be about. It's about making better software available for everyone to use. However, I'd be curious to see what software you've written under an Open Source license, if any? Of course, Joe, you don't actually have to contribute anything to other people, and you are welcome to use FreeBSD, or Apple's Darwin, or Linux without giving anything back. But it's funny how often people criticize others for "not contributing anything back in return" when that statement applies equally as well to the speaker... -- -Chuck PS: This email might be coming from a 17/8 IP address, but I don't speak for Apple.