From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 20 01:32:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904BE16A4DD for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AA343D45 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:32:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 15037 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 11:32:36 +1000 Received: from andromeda.lef.com.au (HELO localhost) (210.8.93.2) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 11:32:36 +1000 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:32:31 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: "Glenn McCalley" Message-ID: <20060720113231.562dfd13@localhost> In-Reply-To: <000d01c6ab99$3ee24500$6601a8c0@bnetmd.net> References: <000d01c6ab99$3ee24500$6601a8c0@bnetmd.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: coldfusion alternative X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:32:37 -0000 On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:10:03 -0400 "Glenn McCalley" wrote: > OK so a good customer of long standing wants a coldfusion website. > Some "developer", the husband of one of his staff (so that makes him a > trusted advisor, right?), has convinced him "it's the only way to do it". > My position is maybe that's the only way -he- can do it but there's a whole > wide world of alternatives out there. > > Looking at it, he wants to collect some data on an input form, then hash it > over a couple of ways and present the results. Pretty graphics maybe as > well. Looks to me like Perl... don't even need a real database, heck > DB_File would work just fine for this. > OK with me... > ...but what's the argument to present other than "you don't need > coldfusion"? > > I'd even put CF on the system and be done with it if there was a FreeBSD > version (anyone have any luck with that?). Tracked down BlueDragon but > that's apparently Win only as well. > > Ammunition wanted. > Thanks > Glenn. hey, sorry, i don't think I've included much hard-ammo... but anyway I had to endure CF in a past life thanks to an over-enthusiastic colleague who presented similar arguments to those described before I started ... then, of course, he left and the rest is a (horrid) story. Anyway: - licensing : careful here - expensive (definitely way more expensive than OSS - not only in licensing ,but support, community,etc). Not sure if it is still true, but I remember we had to renew the license EVERY year to keep a site alive. Ridiculous. - from memory, blue dragon (or some other 'dragon related to cf' did run on linux and/or FBSD. - last resort, CF runs on Linux - maybe it runs under FBsd with linux-compat? - what does your client WANT? (not the means to get to it, but the end result? ) figuring out the tech to use for a solution isnt, IMHO, what he/she should be worrying about - follow a normal spec out of the project, then present the different alternatives... maybe, and just *maybe*, CF *IS* the best solution, but I very seriously doubt it. btw, you can still have a Flash powered site without cf ;) good luck ;) Beto