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From: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@FreeBSD.org>
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On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 09:01:16PM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> It also becomes something that poudriere can set intelligently. bulk would
> likely want it defaulting to quiet (normal) mode, and testport would likely
> want it defaulting to verbose mode.
> 
> I just don't think that "this would be helpful to me" should have to equal
> "therefore everybody is going to want this change."

Any kind of automated builds should have full logs: those things that you're
being thrown when your ports fails on cluster.

I think "silent rules" idea arose because end-users prefer their xterms to
remain more neat (and history buffer easier to scroll).  So it's not about
testport or bulk, but rather about regular consumers (normal end-users) vs.
developers.  End-users do not care about the logs, they just want to have
working things.  Developers know how to redirect output if when they want
their xterms to be clean, and they know how to read logs.

Back in the old days, we were not doing a good job with binary packages, so
practically everyone had to use ports and build things and see the logs not
everyone really wanted to see.  There days, it is not that huge problem any
longer, so arguably verbose builds should just be the default.  We actually
could've just enabled it and wait for reaction.  Quite probably, little to
none will follow.

./danfe