From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 11:37:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF8216A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from essence.sdodson.com (66-133-142-242.dr1.tbr.ga.frontiernet.net [66.133.142.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E8543FF7 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:37:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from samy@kerneled.com) Received: from beastie.freebsd.local (dial36-175.sbm.net.sa [212.46.36.175]) by essence.sdodson.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h93Ib4pi056812; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:37:09 GMT (envelope-from samy@kerneled.com) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:38:16 +0300 From: Samy Al Bahra To: "Paul Robinson" Message-Id: <20031003213816.7509c057.samy@kerneled.com> In-Reply-To: <002c01c389bb$3e632340$6c01a8c0@MITERDOMAIN> References: <20030928152441.S83167-100000@users.757.org> <002c01c389bb$3e632340$6c01a8c0@MITERDOMAIN> Organization: Kerneled X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.5-gtk2-20030906 (GTK+ 2.2.1; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swag... new choices? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:37:17 -0000 On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:32:59 +0100 "Paul Robinson" wrote: > Ahhh, but they have completely free use of their puffy fish mascot and > a bunch of talented guys producing original artwork, music, the whole > lot. We have more developers and fewer artists, and a mascot we don't > really own. That makes it difficult to produce a wide range of > artwork. Very true. A major problem is the fact that we have to notify McKusick for all of our use of the daemon (for project art), everything is under his terms. I was working on a song with masta (of wifiBSD) a while back, unfortunately, I had higher priorities so the project was dropped. > Perhaps a competition of some sort? I don't think we should hold a competition, I know a lot of users out there (some being talented artists) have created their own art of some sort. I urge these to step-up and help me finish off this gallery to create a more complete set of artwork (more backgrounds, more splash screens, some icons, etc...). I am sniffing around IRC networks for these artists :) Personally, those pieces of work were for complete fun, this simple image composition is great therapy for me. > I think it also might be an idea > to get some distributors further afield than FreeBSD mall - I've had > genuinly AWFUL experiences with them, and a lot of people don't want > to deal with them. Plus, in Europe, there are plenty of distributors > prepared to handle this side of the Atlantic. I could do this for the Middle East (we have warehouses littered around here that are willing to deal with this). I just don't see the potential for this region at the moment (something to change...a future goal during my time here). > > The real problem though is free use of the logo/mascot. To really open > up the market like OpenBSD has, you kind of have to consider... dare I > say it?... changing the mascot. If you want to produce lots of mass > produced stuff with loads of artwork and sell them, you can't use > beastie unless you've cleared every item with McKusick: > > http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html Yes. I ran into this problem with the GNOME splash screen (since it will soon be the default one for GNOME 2.4). I hold very very high respect for McKusick but I think that his terms for the use of the daemon are a bit too constraining (though, his license is vague most could walk away with derivatives of it). I think we should stick to a daemon-type logo (though, something completely different than the current thing, maybe a gecko-daemon? :P). Eithercase, this is a huge step and something all the community should agree to. -- +-----------------------------------+ | Samy Al Bahra | samy@kerneled.com | |-----------------------------------| | B3A7 F5BE B2AE 67B1 AC4B | | 0983 956D 1F4A AA54 47CB | |-----------------------------------| | http://www.kerneled.com | +-----------------------------------+