From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 3 10:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B8916A420 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hirez@libeljournal.com) Received: from colossus.hpl.hp.com (colossus.hpl.hp.com [192.6.10.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8FF43D48 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hirez@libeljournal.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by colossus.hpl.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F876B9CD; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from colossus.hpl.hp.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (colossus.hpl.hp.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15287-06; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kropotkin.hpl.hp.com (kropotkin.hpl.hp.com [15.144.59.2]) by colossus.hpl.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD866B9C8; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kropotkin.hpl.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64A58226; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kropotkin.hpl.hp.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kropotki [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03439-03-14; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ballard.hpl.hp.com (ballard.hpl.hp.com [15.144.26.39]) by kropotkin.hpl.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673203DED; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ballard (ballard [15.144.26.39]) by ballard.hpl.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0361F63F9; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:27 +0000 (GMT) From: John Hawkes-Reed Organization: Empire Rocketry Research Group To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:43:26 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44077E79.2080708@rogers.com> <200603022333.52835.joao@matik.com.br> <4407B194.5050609@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <4407B194.5050609@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603031043.26348.hirez@libeljournal.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kropotkin.hpl.hp.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hplb.hpl.hp.com Cc: Mike Jakubik Subject: Re: Fresh install on gmirror'ed disks? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:43:37 -0000 On Friday 03 March 2006 03:01, Mike Jakubik wrote: > JoaoBR wrote: > > On Thursday 02 March 2006 22:59, Mike Jakubik wrote: > >> Thats what i figured. Its sad that the fbsd installer is so behind the > >> linux ones, in terms of setting up raid and lvm during install. > > > > I'm sorry that such things make you sad but do you mind to explain why > > this is "behind" ? > > Because most Linux distributions have had this feature for a while now. > It's no secret that our installer blows. It gets the job done for a > basic install, provided you know its quirks, and thats it. Hm. I don't believe that's true. In the last couple of months, I've had=20 occasion to attempt installation of Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo and FreeBSD the= =20 same box. (And HP-UX and Solaris on different ones slightly less recently) Gentoo was dreadful. Dumping a user at a command prompt may appeal to the=20 geek-machismo types, but not I think to anyone who has to work for a living= =2E=20 CDROM -> trash. Ubuntu uses/used the Debian installer. Debian I've got used to. (In that it's filled with gotchas, so it takes a=20 couple of false starts to get a useful system.) Yes, it's got alleged RAID and LVM options in the disk-setup menus. However= ,=20 I've never been able to make them work. I'd rather things were absent from = an=20 installer, rather than there being tantalising options that raise false hop= e. =46rom what I remember, the Solaris installer is fairly pretty and works we= ll,=20 while the HP example is somewhat messy. The mirroring instructions for both= =20 those OSes assumed you'd a working system first. Mind, a GEOM-aware installer is an attactive WIBNI... I'm also not sure that the onward march of disk-size is strictly relevant.= =20 Were I building a PC-based RAID, I'd make sure I bought an=20 appropriately-sized spare disk at the same time as the rest of the set. =2D-=20 JH-R