From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jan 6 9:20: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from modemcable126.102-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net (modemcable156.106-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.net [24.200.106.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DA9614E65 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@mindstep.com) Received: (qmail 49496 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2000 17:19:56 -0000 Received: from dhcp-mtl-200.local.mindstep.com (HELO patrak) (192.168.10.200) by jacuzzi.local.mindstep.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2000 17:19:56 -0000 Message-ID: <006001bf586a$409b4b00$c80aa8c0@local.mindstep.com> From: "Patrick Bihan-Faou" To: "Robert Watson" Cc: References: <200001060927.UAA03779@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:19:38 -0500 Organization: MindStep Corporation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me that there is already quite a bit of IPv6 and IPSec stuff in the tree. Most of the kernel stuff is there (albeit seriously lacking documentation). To me this is not *too* critical right now. I see the point for the research community though. Also, regarding what makes a *.0 release, I would say stability is the main thing. More complete features will come with the .1 .2 etc. releases. Look at the 3.x history: we just got some major features in the late 3.x (netgraph in 3.4) this does not mean that 3.0 was a bad release. If I can be sure that the IPSec and IPv6 userland stuff and documentation will be in 4.1 for sure, I would advocate for the feature freeze now. There are quite a few things that are good in 4.0 and that I really want to use in my production boxes (the new ata driver for example). To me getting what is already there in a *blessed* form is what is important. Rather than a full, complete IPv6 feature in 4.0, I would rather see that the 4.x-STABLE branch keeps track of the Kame mods in it by default and soon so that when 4.1-RELEASE is around IPv6 is in. Does that make sense ? Patrick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message