From nobody Wed Sep 22 15:34:58 2021 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916A517C9336; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4HF2RS3hQkz3qpm; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from John-Baldwins-MacBook-Pro.local (ralph.baldwin.cx [66.234.199.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jhb) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01FB08C97; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 15:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root To: Baptiste Daroussin , current@freebsd.org, arch@FreeBSD.org References: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> From: John Baldwin Message-ID: <82d7f4d1-5ce9-c7ed-d993-b16b3ddac6e3@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 08:34:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210922083645.4vnoajyvwq6wfhdf@aniel.nours.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hello, > > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!! > > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confusing > as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shell > compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh. > > Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in > interactive mode: > * command completion (thanks pstef@) > * improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like other shells > * improvement in the vi mode (in particular the vi edit to respect $EDITOR) > * support for history as described by POSIX. > > This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to propose to > make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not MFCed) > > If no strong arguments has been raised until October 15th, I will make this > proposal happen. > > Again just in case: THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE CSH FROM BASE! I think this is fine. I would also be fine with either removing 'toor' from the default password file or just leaving it as-is for POLA. (I would probably prefer removing it outright.) -- John Baldwin