From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 6 14:14:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A71E203 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98F142572 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s66DlZLb024642; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 23:47:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 23:47:35 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Should 9.3 carry a warning about NEW_XORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20140706220006.K50382@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <53B69B88.4060803@gmail.com> <20140705103235.GB7680@rwpc15.gfn.riverwillow.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, John Marshall X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 14:14:03 -0000 On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 04:58:32 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jul 2014, John Marshall wrote: > > > Perhaps my "X no longer works" scenario is due to "certain hardware"? > > Is there a list somewhere of hardware on which NEW_XORG will not work, > > so that folks running 9.2 with that hardware can set WITHOUT_NEW_XORG > > BEFORE they upgrade to 9.3 and save themselves grief? > > There is a list of video cards, both working and non-working: > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics#Video_cards Which is unsurprisingly focussed on the newer hardware - what developers have and use, virtually by definition - but there's scant reference to what older hardware may NO LONGER be supported in newX. John has a T43 thinkpad, with unstated graphics hardware; intel 915 or Radeon X300 according to thinkwiki? And I have two going T23s with S3 SuperSavage IX/C (2002 vintage) and an X200 with intel GM45 Contiga, just 'pre-2009' referring to: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/WITH_NEW_XORG which leaves me unsure of support for these with new xorg, particularly when the footnote for VT switching(1) is incorrect for the meaning of 'works' - the X200's GM45 happily switches to sc(4) vts from X - though it seems an unexpected X upgrade to WITH_NEW_XORG would likely leave me without visible vts until building a VT kernel? (and even then?) I've read this thread 3 times and followed relevant references and I'm still confused about the 9.3-RELEASE scenario. It seems that if you upgrade from 9.1 or 9.2 you will need to manually intervene, either way .. please correct any incorrect assumptions: . if you don't wish your ports updated to new Xorg you'll need to add WITHOUT_NEW_XORG to make.conf before updating any relevant ports, though - inconsistently? - any installed packages, including those on the DVD, will still be for old Xorg. Until you are sure this is the safer way - but you have to know about it when upgrading. . if you do want ports updated to new Xorg and you have older graphics hardware you'll need to compile a VT kernel to get vt switching from X back .. and you'll need to add the new repo to get new Xorg packages. Seeing that a perhaps not miniscule proportion of 9.x X users will need to do some manual configuration on upgrading to 9.3, a relevant WARNING in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.3R/relnotes.html should be helpful. cheers, Ian