From nobody Thu Jul 7 21:48:12 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC1B12A876C for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 21:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from mail.turbocat.net (turbocat.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c17:6c4b::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Lf95R68lyz3W9F for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 21:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hps@selasky.org) Received: from [10.36.2.165] (unknown [178.232.223.95]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.turbocat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B10892623C7; Thu, 7 Jul 2022 23:48:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2022 23:48:12 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.10.0 Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console Content-Language: en-US To: John Kennedy , =?UTF-8?Q?Klaus_K=c3=bcchemann?= Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <45ACA785-05BF-496B-8D0A-AD2A4A2293D1@googlemail.com> From: Hans Petter Selasky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Lf95R68lyz3W9F X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hps@selasky.org designates 2a01:4f8:c17:6c4b::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hps@selasky.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.29 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mail.turbocat.net:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[phouka.net,googlemail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[selasky.org]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 7/7/22 23:26, John Kennedy wrote: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 10:11:52PM +0200, Klaus Küchemann wrote: >>> Am 07.07.2022 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky : >>> The only argument I've heard from some non-sighted friends about not using FreeBSD natively is that ooh, MacOSX is so cool. It starts speaking from the start if I press this and this key. Is anyone here working on or wanting such a feature? >> >> Possibly they didn’t want to be rude and your friends didn't tell you the other argument :-) : according to the corresponding wiki page FreeBSD doesn't natively support any audio output at all on your friends current M1 Mac hardware. >> since quite nothing is currently supported you probably will first take over working on the Audio driver …..and of course USB :-) > > I think a huge benefit that Apple would have is that they might be > able to guarantee some sort of audio speaker, period, since they > control the hardware that the software runs on. That might be a big ask > on FreeBSD, but maybe if there was some relatively ubiqitous Hi, Does Apple support voice-over in its bootloaders too? I think not, so at some point of technical breakage you will be stuck anyway - right? --HPS