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[46.114.25.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u1-20020a1709061da100b0072b1e27888asm572799ejh.50.2022.07.07.16.00.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jul 2022 16:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2022 01:00:09 +0200 References: <45ACA785-05BF-496B-8D0A-AD2A4A2293D1@googlemail.com> To: Hans Petter Selasky , John Kennedy , freebsd-current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <011CA96A-75B1-4077-A0AB-AFB7F4F851AA@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4LfBhF2v5jz3jCj X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=googlemail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=f+4JChN8; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=googlemail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of maciphone2@googlemail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=maciphone2@googlemail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.48 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.975]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20210112]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52d:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > Am 07.07.2022 um 23:48 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky : >=20 > On 7/7/22 23:26, John Kennedy wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 10:11:52PM +0200, Klaus K=C3=BCchemann wrote: >>>> Am 07.07.2022 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky : >>>> The only argument I've heard from some non-sighted friends about = not using FreeBSD natively is that ooh, MacOSX is so cool. It starts = speaking from the start if I press this and this key. Is anyone here = working on or wanting such a feature? >>>=20 >>> Possibly they didn=E2=80=99t want to be rude and your friends = didn't tell you the other argument :-) : according to the = corresponding wiki page FreeBSD doesn't natively support any audio = output at all on your friends current M1 Mac hardware. >>> since quite nothing is currently supported you probably will first = take over working on the Audio driver =E2=80=A6..and of course USB :-) >> I think a huge benefit that Apple would have is that they might be >> able to guarantee some sort of audio speaker, period, since they >> control the hardware that the software runs on. That might be a big = ask >> on FreeBSD, but maybe if there was some relatively ubiqitous >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Does Apple support voice-over in its bootloaders too? I think not, so = at some point of technical breakage you will be stuck anyway - right? >=20 > =E2=80=94HPS good point =E2=80=A6 ( I think you mean feature textToSpeech when e.g. = keyboard-interrupting into the fbsd-boot prompt in native Mac boot) But implementing text to speech in native u-boot/uefi & FreeBSD = bootloader on a Mac?=20 ..sounds like a huge project after having FreeBSD natively ported to = Apple M1/M2.. But if that=E2=80=99s on your list I would not underestimate you :-) ...of course you would have VoiceOver/TextToSpeech e.g. in a uart- shell = console when booting FreeBSD native on another board/machine=E2=80=A6and = that seems to be the easiest way for non-sighted FreeBSD = users/developers using the Mac platform for VoiceOver who want to use = fbsd-current native( those who are interested in bootloader issues;-) If you meant VoiceOver in MacOS bootloader : Macusers expect their Macs = problem-free, a special world, unknown in FreeBSD:-) There are exceptions, e.g. if you use a new MacOS on an older = unsupported Mac - but VoiceOver wouldn=E2=80=99t help much there ;-) K.