From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 6 14:43:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5F416A4CE; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out5.xs4all.nl (smtp-out5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C33E43D2D; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-out5.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i56LhFUY068069; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i56LgS99044309; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:42:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i56LgSYM044308; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:42:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:42:28 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20040606214228.GA44280@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <40C36D31.4010003@freebsd.org> <20040606193510.GA95886@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <40C37F3C.1050602@freebsd.org> <20040606211249.GC96607@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040606211249.GC96607@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:43:20 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:43:16 -0000 On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 02:12:49PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 02:31:56PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > As with Alpha, > > the fate of a platform rests on the people who are willing to work on > > it, not on whether it is in a particular list. > > Agreed, but it's the projects responsibility to take the tierness and > the intend to support multiple platforms serious and not to chicken out > at the first signs of complications or hurdles. We labeled sparc64 as > a tier 1 platform and we better deal with the consequences. > > As for alpha, we don't even seem to be able to degrade it to tier 2 > without losing face. kris@ has already stopped package builds for it > for his own sake. > > Wake up, people. This is quickly becoming a joke... Right... Basically only i386 is a Tier 1. The rest is a joke if it is called Tier 1. If only because there are insufficient numbers of committers actively working on the arch. (maybe pc98 should be called Tier 1, I just don't know enough about that one). -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org