From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Jul 11 21:21:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA28663 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28658 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from channel.eng.umd.edu (channel.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.186]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03759; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by channel.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21062; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:18:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@channel.eng.umd.edu To: Gary Chrysler cc: Terry Lambert , Martin Loeffler , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: forcing a modem to hangup In-Reply-To: <31E5CF38.14BD@ime.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Gary Chrysler wrote: > > Gary, those of us that know how to use breakout boxes, and have dealt > > with serial commercially, usually react violently against internal > > modems, just because they eliminate two of the most commonly used > > troubleshooting tools (front panel lights and breakout boxes). If you > > don't know how to use them, or aren't used to these tools, I guess you > > might be less than understanding about the attitude, but there's a good > > reason behind it. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone with technical > > experience in maintaining comm lines that would disagree. > > > > Interesting, "Those of us" Implies my exclusion. > > You sure seem to know an awefull lot about something you know > nothing about! I don't understand why you are getting impolite about it. I didn't exclude you, nor insult you. I've worked in communications, either voice or data, for years, so I think I probably know _something_ about it. > > There's a difference between trusting troubleshooting software, and > > seeing results with your eyes. > > Neither one is any good if you don't know how to use them. Well, I sure can't disagree with that. I was explaining why many folks have a severe allergy towards internal modems. Do you disagree with that? I guess I was suggesting that if you did know how to use the tools, then using internal modems denied them to you. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------