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Date:      Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:02:26 +0930
From:      Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To:        "Brian O'Shea" <boshea@ricochet.net>
Cc:        freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Security of NAT "firewall" vs. packet filtering firewall.
Message-ID:  <E12aIaA-0001yj-00@roam.psg.com>
References:  <20000328113534.W330@beastie.localdomain> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10003281436440.3162-100000@kronos.networkrichmond.com> <E12a411-0001UE-00@roam.psg.com> <20000328145615.B330@beastie.localdomain>

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>>> NAT will effectively protect the boxes on your network.
>> how?  firewalls protect.  nat merely translates addresses.
> Correct.  And since there is no way for machines outside of my local
> network to know what internal addresses are being translated by my
> router, there is no way to address them from outside.

nats kindly create and generate the mappings for he attacker.

> Even if these addresses are known, there is no route to them from the
> internet;

there are routes to the addresses to which nat translates them.

> they are reserved for use by private networks:
> <http://info.internet.isi.edu:80/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc1918.txt>;

wow!  what an exciting rfc!  </sarcasm>

i am sitting next to three rather reknown security folk at the iesg/iab
breakfast here at the adelaide ieft.  quote one whose book you probably read
"NATs per se provide little security.  They can, however, be used as one
component of a firewall, which does provide some security."

randy


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