From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 6 21:37: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB05837BD76 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 4816 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 04:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO theory3.physics.iisc.ernet.in) (qmailr@144.16.71.158) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 04:36:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 3413 invoked by uid 211); 7 Jul 2000 04:36:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:06:48 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No port of Opera? (Was: ((FreeBSD : Linux) :: (OS/2 : Windows))) Message-ID: <20000707100648.A3400@physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000706203912.047e4f00@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000706193313.04a8ca40@localhost> <53082.962927902@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000706193313.04a8ca40@localhost> <20000707074448.A4511@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <4.3.2.7.2.20000706203912.047e4f00@localhost> <20000707093348.A3336@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <4.3.2.7.2.20000706220901.046daad0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000706220901.046daad0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jul 06, 2000 at 10:21:19PM -0600 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0-test3 i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > vi and emacs both emulated the screen editors that were already > available on some commercial systems of the day. TeX was not the > first batch-oriented text formatting program. But they were *major* improvements over anything that came earlier. TeX especially. The commercial guys still haven't caught up with it in many respects, it's unbelievable the sorts of fine details it keeps track of. Sorry, if free software is good people will use it, and if it wipes out inferior commercial stuff, so much the better. > >you too, but I wonder where Knuth stole *his* ideas from.... > > Actually, Knuth has talked about this. See some of his papers and > the heavily documented source code of TeX. I haven't read everything he wrote, but I don't remember his acknowledging any commercial programs. Which one(s) in particular is he indebted to? He certainly talks a lot about the fine points of typesetting and the historical evolution of ideas on good typesetting and so on. > It should. By touting GPLed software as open source, the FSF furthers > its goal of hurting programmers -- like you and me. I'm not a programmer. And as a user I have benefited from it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message