From owner-freebsd-security Sun Sep 24 10: 9:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from eastwood.aldigital.algroup.co.uk (eastwood.aldigital.algroup.co.uk [194.128.162.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6B237B422 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from algroup.co.uk ([192.168.192.1]) by eastwood.aldigital.algroup.co.uk (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA15373 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:09:32 GMT Message-ID: <39CE3507.99AB57FA@algroup.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:08:23 +0100 From: Adam Laurie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall DOESN'T ASK, dangerous defaults! References: <39CB4C42.1A59669C@kew.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000923222349.04919900@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > > At 01:13 AM 9/23/2000, Wes Peters wrote: > > >Drew Derbyshire wrote: > > > > > > > Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > > > Brett, did it ever occur to you THESE ARE THE DEFAULTS because MOST > > > > PEOPLE WANT THEM THAT WAY? > > > > > > Did you take a survey? > > > >Yes. The lack of complaints from anybody other than Brett Glass constitutes > >our unofficial, non-scientific survey. > > You forget: I wasn't the one who started this thread. I merely indicated > my agreement. > > > > Most people also want a secure system. Don't even get me started about > > > rlogin/rsh being on by default in /etc/inetd.conf. > > > >Most people wouldn't know a secure system if it bit them in the nose. > > It's sad how many arguments for NOT improving FreeBSD are based on > what I can only call hacker elitism. Of COURSE a super-experienced > hacker can deal with a user-hostile install, secure the system > manually, etc. given lots of time and knowledge. So? Hear hear. cheers, Adam -- Adam Laurie Tel: +44 (181) 742 0755 A.L. Digital Ltd. Fax: +44 (181) 742 5995 Voysey House Barley Mow Passage http://www.aldigital.co.uk London W4 4GB mailto:adam@algroup.co.uk UNITED KINGDOM PGP key on keyservers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message