From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 27 9:55:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2FE37B402; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1RHtli40968; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:55:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1RHtkL35332; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:55:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:55:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020227.105520.83626055.imp@village.org> To: gnn@neville-neil.com Cc: phk@critter.freebsd.dk, rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Discussion of guidelines for additional version control mechanisms (fwd) From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200202271746.JAA1490499@meer.meer.net> References: <200202271746.JAA1490499@meer.meer.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <200202271746.JAA1490499@meer.meer.net> "George V. Neville-Neil" writes: : So, how do we get our attitudes adjusted before hitting a wall, : as many companies I've worked for did? It comes back to agreeing : on a process by which we work. We have one now, it may not all : be written down, but we do have it. That's the $64k question. Our current worst case is the "rock tumbler" school of management. You put everybody together in one big hopper and spin. This knockes the rough edges off people. However, it doesn't take into account differing "hardness" of the material that people are made from so sometimes you end up with a hard rough rock and dust, which is not a desirable outcome. We have a process that varies depending on who you ask. Some of that variance is simple imprecision of words, while some of it is wishful thinking (maybe unconscious) about what can and can't be done. Our established guidelines work well when they work, but do not handle the "degenerate" cases where someone has "life happen" or when there's a fundamental disagreement. In those cases, we're back to the "rock tumbler" school of management. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message