From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 6 16:13:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00925 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:13:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00918 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA14374 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Sun, 7 Jan 1996 03:09:19 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Sun, 7 Jan 96 03:09:18 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA00334; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 03:08:51 +0300 (MSK) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org References: <199601062312.XAA18349@exalt.x.org> In-Reply-To: <199601062312.XAA18349@exalt.x.org>; from "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" at Sat, 06 Jan 1996 18:12:40 EDT Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 03:08:51 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.41 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Demand loading (Re: FreeBSD, Zappa & PCI) Lines: 31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199601062312.XAA18349@exalt.x.org> Kaleb S. KEITHLEY writes: >I did however sense another episode of "we, the hackers, will decide >what's good for the masses." I got it from Andre about a cleaner 8-bit >clean libc, I got it from Poul when I wanted agressive sbrking memory >back to the OS, and Joerg about the usefulness of ld.so.cache. Three >times I've said "it would be better if..." Three times I've had someone >from -hackers come back with "no, you don't want that". Well, yes, I do >want those things, to the extent that they don't break standards >conformance. (See, I did compromise on the 8-bit clean libc stuff. Did >I get the rest of what I wanted though?) Is it not surprising that I >think I see a pattern emerging? Speaking about me, as you can notice _all_ your proposed localization changes commited into -current as result of some kinda discussion happens. Speaking about Poul I saw his commit of your proposed malloc change even without any discussion. So, I don't understand, what makes your uncomfortable here. Do you mean that customer demands must be accepted immediately even without comparation with global project strategy? Even they are accepted it not generally means that someone from the FreeBSD team forced to work on them... (well, nobody pay me for localization f.e. :-) -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849