From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 29 14:57:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts19.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216AB37B401 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 14:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cerberus.motorcity.on.ca ([65.95.185.80]) by tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20020529215711.LLGZ15871.tomts19-srv.bellnexxia.net@cerberus.motorcity.on.ca>; Wed, 29 May 2002 17:57:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4TKwJd39610; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:58:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Received: from ddd ([192.168.254.32]) by cerberus.motorcity.on.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with SMTP id g4TKwE239602; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:58:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george@durham.net) Reply-To: From: "George Ramos" To: "'Pamela Patterson'" , "'Alain Parsons'" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: Excess Capacity Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 04:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c206eb$1de7b1c0$20fea8c0@ddd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <00df01c20759$e1d28830$91c03b8e@OK> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sorry Pamela, I don't get your point. I get my pricing from ISPCHAT, these guys are not fat cat salespeople, they are actuallt our support people at Bell. Why would they behave in the fashion that you described?...., I mean, in theory there is no reason for that... -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Patterson [mailto:pamela.p@opendns.biz] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:44 PM To: Alain Parsons; George Ramos Cc: ispchat@bell.ca; julie.taylor@bell.ca; julie.allain@bell.ca; marc.morin@bell.ca; mike.gosselin@bell.ca; joanne.page@bell.ca; sherwood.flemming@bell.ca; leslie.williams@bell.ca; ken.white@bell.ca; sheila.ward@bell.ca; j.steele@bell.ca; anita.archambault@bell.ca; f.dubois-beauchamp@bell.ca; joelle.picard@bell.ca; stephanie.riley@bell.ca; diane.cincar@bell.ca; list@iip.ca; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; caip-members@caip.ca Subject: Re: Excess Capacity How many Clec's do you think there are with "Excess Capacity" and marketing people refusing to sell it ? How many colo's are vacant but, the sales guy wants that one big sale, so no discounts? We see it all the time. Sales & Marketing (Price Fixers) have driven many a CLEC to bankruptcy. On another note: Tommorrow I think is the day the CRTC is supposed to issue a ruling on the fee's Clec's pay to ILec's. Should be interesting. Pamela Patterson * We are Sales Driven - Not Process Driven * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message