From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Nov 27 05:01:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2800DF8F8D for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:01:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerryw@compvia.com) Received: from smtp101.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp101.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 669BE63AA7 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerryw@compvia.com) Received: from smtp5.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 72BA1254F7 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-SMTPDoctor-Processed: csmtpprox beta Received: from smtp5.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 707842570D for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp192.mex08.mlsrvr.com (unknown [74.205.9.160]) by smtp5.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTPS id 5F48E254F7 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: gerryw@compvia.com Received: from smtp192.mex08.mlsrvr.com ([UNAVAILABLE]. [74.205.9.160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:52:07 -0500 Received: from MBX02A-IAD3.mex08.mlsrvr.com (172.29.17.14) by MBX02A-IAD3.mex08.mlsrvr.com (172.29.17.14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:52:06 -0500 Received: from MBX02A-IAD3.mex08.mlsrvr.com ([fe80::6106:d222:2235:32c5]) by MBX02A-IAD3.mex08.mlsrvr.com ([fe80::6106:d222:2235:32c5%21]) with mapi id 15.00.1293.002; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:52:06 -0500 From: Gerry Weaver To: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: The future of fortune(6) Thread-Topic: The future of fortune(6) Thread-Index: AQHTZuTmhoKAONYCiUKzPeW3lgmCcqMn9zQA//+ughA= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:52:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <66D39828-ADBA-4973-BEB8-B2F6657E9996@FreeBSD.org> <201711261832.vAQIWNaV006777@mail.KARELS.NET> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [108.252.2.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:01:47 -0000 Hello All, Why not just keep fortune and tips in base and push the rest to a package? = This way history could be reasonably preserved and you would have to opt = in to get the rest.=20 BTW: I apologize, if someone has already suggested this. I may have missed = a few posts. Thanks, -G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freeb= sd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Sorenson Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:31 PM To: mike@karels.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Benno Rice ; freebsd-ar= ch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) > No kidding. At least 30 years ago, when I was at CSRG, a female=20 > professor complained that she had received an offensive fortune when she = logged out. > After some investigation, we found that she was using her husband's=20 > account, and he had "fortune -o" in his .logout file. Case closed. > > Mike > I want to 2nd Mike Karels' sentiments. There is a *big* - huge - massive di= fference between words people don't like and someone being offensive. I don't want to give the impression that I see value in having Hitler quote= s in base, I don't, its out. Great by me. At the same time I don't see the = value of scrubbing base of arrangements of words people don't like. If I se= e that fortune spits out a Rush Limbaugh quote, a Hitler quote, an Franklin= D Roosevelt quote or an Al Franken quote or a bad joke I for one don't ins= tantly come to the assumption that this is somehow an endorsement by the pr= oject or even a commiter of any particular thing. Its just stuff in history= . In a way thats really what fortune is, a collection of history (even if j= ust FreeBSD tips). Frankly, I'm a bit offended (if mildly) by the stance that "we've decided t= o excise fortune from base because its a tool used to spread hate and bad i= deas." This is dangerously approaching the point of censoring the project b= ecause of how people might decide to use the software. Even Richard Stallma= n doesn't go for this sort of thing. Maybe we should start to discuss ripping OpenSSH out of base because it cou= ld be used in the commission of a felony or to hurt somebody's feelings. I = don't want to remove vi from base just because I feel stupid after using it= . There is a cost to having a free and open society, one of those is that s= omeone may use fortune to print detestable quotes about Hitler on their ter= minal. I for one would recommend leaving things alone unless it is a substantive i= mprovement. -Bill S. _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/= listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"