From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 12:44:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F38437B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5704243FA3 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bicknell@ussenterprise.ufp.org) Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (bicknell@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5GJhxaT053786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5GJhxbH053785 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:43:59 -0400 From: Leo Bicknell To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030616194359.GA53587@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20030616191852.GA52694@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: United Federation of Planets X-PGP-Key: http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Subject: Re: floppy.. Was: Drawing graphics on terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:44:01 -0000 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message written on Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 12:37:08PM -0700, Julian Elisc= her wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > Some of this could be done in the current installer, if there wasn't > > an effort to make it still fit on a floppy. Mind you, I'd like to see > > the floppy based install stick around for a while, but I think FreeBSD > > needs to embrace the CD reality. >=20 > We have over a thousand machines in teh field with no CD but they do > have floppies.. > we use the floppy when we upgrade.. It's still are requirement as far as > I'm concerened :-) Oh, absolutely, which is why I said it needs to stick around for a while. All I'm saying is it's clear a fancier installer needs more space than a floppy can provide, and since PC standards are going to a floppy-less PC it seems like making a bootable CD image is the way of the future. I don't think anyone argues that, my only suggestion is FreeBSD get there sooner rather than later, and do that by making a "minimal" install CD, rather than the complete CD's available today. Perhaps this can be done with a new GUI based installer as well, letting the new "CD-install" run in parallel with the "floppy install" for the 2-4 major versions necessary for it to be fully baked. Another idea is to make a floppy just smart enough to load the installer over the network, since PC's generally have more memory these days... --=20 Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+7h3/Nh6mMG5yMTYRAq78AJ9Y7BgRSiwhe5MbdWMv3XaD9qu/3QCfetRD nVWoWrhaIKwLi6v8KC/LOdc= =rcQ+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt--