From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 06:41:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554B416A41A for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2225A13C455 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 06:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so6802749pyb for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:41:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7r0JP4j7BLSHFz2ELhutsePCFzqPvs+QCf06xkLrP1o=; b=SHFPcz4FJxFiGcvxOGHkZCnynoFN6ANmjt/JgNEJOJleA9PCU31RM39Ldz7CtIvA0/UBC5IvWBU2Qnyt3SrK3icoLCvJEjKJjcTaKd52mQtC96BafHlk/IBD2ir4UI2LgGAlDjTKxzYGXGbiHIFlZSv0FiMncieu22q/hnl8cuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=T5Gtz35bM65x8vH7sosY5/YLTqxu4Da9/BSl01t+2W+qwYwMc1LUcyi1VFMbOTbUv1hQWIqxHTcUV0VWWArQEjcQgTelMeWWkoJ/WGMFckLyVqUd8Y8NdeE5XcIG7mWro5sWiG96eb+8dVAGwiTwC1gNUKPGIF0xVVG+j9kBwkE= Received: by 10.65.40.16 with SMTP id s16mr13882621qbj.1196664080120; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm6872214qba.2007.12.02.22.41.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:41:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4753A50D.3060700@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:41:17 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Messenger References: <4752827F.20902@gmail.com> <20071202093625.D63241@laptop.unixathome.org> <200712021137.23146.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 06:41:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:37:22 -0600, David Southwell > wrote: > >> On Sunday 02 December 2007 06:41:12 Dan Langille wrote: >>> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>> 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system? >>> >>> Good people doing the heavy lifting >>> >>>> 4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system? >>> >>> Too much talk from people not willing to do the heavy lifting. >>> >>>> 8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general? >>> >>> Since 1998. >> >> Well in this case the people doing the talking are also >> committing themselves to the lifting so I guess you would say >> here that the advocates of change are on the side of the angels. >> >> I trust you are not dedicated to becoming a permanent member of >> the opposition!! If so I might be tempted to say the worst aspect >> of the current system is that there are too many people >> determined to deny the need for change irrespective of merit. > > Sad, I second on Dan's answer for #4 question. It's not that we > opposite it. It's faith that we don't have. It's not first time for > people to keep talk with no action. It's called bikeshed. As I said to Dan this is a fancy sidestepping of the issue for one who has not even taken time to respond to the survey seriously (even privately) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHU6UN358R5LPuPvsRAkKyAKDny+LyJFdxlL1m0Kds0JANgF/HXACgpT9r 8TYG+fcUtR/SSSHK5kyNykM= =PSdd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----