From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 03:41:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA511065702; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15C58FC0C; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so7856394wwf.31 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:41:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eop9jk/KnHlMvlr35MojGUWg0ejyUcaEUWEHUyfSASU=; b=BfsgF2YS63a79u5pNKqwbwIp01+YjM3YhoUFL9nTnfxeBu4tAiO49YbXf/CzsD5B8e 8QmPWR7wXxCoGcrFFTsK7sct8cZ+bwjIE3UmVQjKOnUkSYrFo8ftH5yhN5Etd6G+VzDV 3+1G7ci8wjDydmttKslP7YAH4Jyi6zHExWB8Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=rYYFiLtrcwAG47N/4s1t1itN+jkK3lSrZZRNVIMC7KJ6UbjjqwQfTalsGhHUaZBCQs kQROo/ElVNENrrdjDrNSMat1Ha07ZyntH3htF/zKZC0JwhC5aKH8AdwpNgeQB+L2wf2m Rm9EkNYwDP57rkaivoLiNsCSV+RE3lZycC1Ds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.46.193 with SMTP id r43mr4032089web.20.1298432465780; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:41:05 -0800 (PST) Sender: yanegomi@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.15.74 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:41:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6A5ECC9D-9EF4-4331-9BB0-E14FE6087D53@vicor.com> References: <4D35CFFB.3010302@freebsd.org> <201102211612.51233.josh@tcbug.org> <201102220103.20158.josh@tcbug.org> <20110222205741.GA34103@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <6A5ECC9D-9EF4-4331-9BB0-E14FE6087D53@vicor.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:41:05 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NNh4L_1OSHmM-D0bpt3GQOEazHg Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Installer Roadmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:41:07 -0000 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> On 2011-Feb-22 02:50:54 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: >>> That's the operative word here ("supports"). Lord help us when that >>> changes to "requires" (that is to say, if/when the FreeBSD kernel >>> becomes legacy-free with respect to supporting fdisk/disklabel >>> partitioned disks). >> >> When that does come, it will probably be driven by BIOS and hardware >> vendors dropping support for MBR. =A0Current disks are at the upper >> limit of what MBR can be support (and that's after several revamps of >> MBR). =A0Since GPT already provides a superior feature set without MBR's >> limits, the next step will be to just drop MBR support. =A0And when it >> does come, FreeBSD needs to be ready with an installer that can cope >> with non-MBR disks. While I love a good discussion (and there have been a number of good points for either side on here), should we agree to switch the default over to bsdinstall, leave sysinstall in (lumps or no lumps), then over the period of the next 2~3 major (that amounts to 4~6 years) releases, and retire sysinstall to the happy hunting grounds? sysinstall didn't take up that much space on the release media I thought, and it might be doable to map both sets of media so that sysinstall can work in harmony on bsdinstall's release media? Preparing custom releases to use the sysinstall init_path isn't that bad, so it would at least give the legacy folks time to transition over while us guinea pigs burn in the new wax :)... Sound good? Thanks! -Garrett