From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 16 23:08:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B593C16A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.mho.com (smtp.mho.net [64.58.4.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74D5043D1F for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 29921 invoked by uid 1002); 17 Mar 2004 07:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freebsd.org) (64.58.1.252) by smtp.mho.net with SMTP; 17 Mar 2004 07:08:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4057F887.1010709@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:04:39 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040304 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Percival References: <20040315134745.1eb201f4.manlix@demonized.net> <20040315125710.GK797@camelot.theinternet.com.au> <20040315140153.30348b1e.manlix@demonized.net> <4057D767.2090107@freebsd.org> <6.0.1.1.1.20040317065013.03b765a0@imap.sfu.ca> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20040317065013.03b765a0@imap.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pkg-based base system. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:08:08 -0000 Colin Percival wrote: > At 04:43 17/03/2004, Scott Long wrote: > >FreeBSD is an operating > >> system. It is not a kernel with interchangeable userland pieces. > > > Nor, I think, do many users want a kernel with interchangeable > userland pieces. What I hear from many users, however, is that > they would like an operating system with optional pieces -- so > that they could sysinstall FreeBSD without sendmail, named, or > doscmd (to take a random example). > > Colin Percival > > > The trick here is to know when you start sliding too far down the slope. It's hard to argue about sendmail, named, gcc, etc, but where do you stop? Before long, you'll be chopping out nvi for the people who favor vim, and so on. I'm actually more in favor of keeping FreeBSD as the 'reference implementation', and encouraging others to make derivatives off if it that satifies these kinds of needs. But we will see where things head. Above all, I support your work, but just ask you to be cautious and not this get carried away. Scott