From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 05:59:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F2416A4E5 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56E343FAF for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HNK00M2SPE1K8@smtp08.wxs.nl> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:56:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9UDvhRo001154; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:43 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff@Alex.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id h9UDvfFk001152; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:57:39 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <20031025204839.39160.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> To: peter lageotakes Message-id: <20031030135738.GA487@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <20031025183803.GD4914@dds.nl> <20031025204839.39160.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning to Walk: A Linux User Migrates to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:59:08 -0000 On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:48:39PM -0700, peter lageotakes wrote: > > --- Alex de Kruijff wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 08:49:25AM +0300, Giorgos > > Keramidas wrote: > > > On 2003-10-24 14:47, Alex de Kruijff > > wrote: > > > >On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:17:20PM -0700, peter > > lageotakes wrote: > > > >> This is the follow up (part 2) to Babe in the > > Woods: A > > > >> Linux User Migrates to FreeBSD. > > > >> > > > >> Interesting article. However I disagree with > > the views > > > >> about handbook being written at the admin. > > level (and > > > >> more). The article could be more positive. > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=269 > > > > > > > > I say this is prity positive considering his > > previous article about > > > > 5.0. I feel that he gives _his_ fair point of > > view on FreeBSD. > > > > Strainge that top didn' run, i didn't had this > > happening to me. > > > > > > This is very likely a result of more serious > > problems with the /dev > > > directory of the installation (like the missing > > /dev/null described in > > > the article). > > > > > > I'll agree that it is a rather fair article, > > despite my reservations > > > regarding the problems described. I've installed > > 4.8-REL a lot of times > > > but didn't have any of the same problems. The > > fact that someone else > > > did, which is probably unsurprising for newcomers > > to FreeBSD, doesn't > > > mean that I'm super smart or that the authors of > > the article are silly > > > either. The installation process depends on very > > scrutinous attention > > > to details whose significance isn't yet very > > apparent when one is a > > > FreeBSD newbie. This is what the documentation > > team is trying to help > > > about by writing the Handbook and the rest of the > > docs. > > > > > > Let's hope that the quality of the existing > > documentation and the future > > > efforts of the doc team make problematic cases > > like the one described in > > > the article less and less frequent :-) > > > > Its not just the doc team who arre responcible for > > the succes of > > FreeBSD. Its the whole team, including amoung > > others, the doc-team, > > developers, core and the users on the lists > > (esecialy those on > > questions, newbie, stable and current). > > The install process in the handbook is very detailed. > I dont believe that is an issue (imho). One aspect I > think might need a small amount of clairification is > release, stable and new technology relase (etc). That > seems to be a small stumbling block for new users to > FreeBSD. I would also think the handbook is good the way it is. I think the mail problem with the handbook is that people don't read it. I feel this is essecialy true for newcommers. The freebsd fourtune might help with this. Like showing messages that adverstise the handbook. (i.e. "Do you wan't to have a NFS server? Read -url to nfs chapter-" and follow with if it still doesn't work send a mail to questions@) This obviously won't point someone who has trouble installing FreeBSD to the handbook. But it might show a large number of other newbies that the handbook has a large number of issues solved. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/