From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 05:07:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B389DE94D1C for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x235.google.com (mail-vk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69D1173146; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id w75so1677325vkd.7; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:07:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DEBqrq360WfWtu75g1BPHaXQG6Ls/bbvIPPK17PMTbo=; b=bKdgGtb8tgXKAZ8zJhFTSnvc2yX6nDa0gCDuT0LcrG/PX/wArnuJ8444zm9KFCFBtL c+YLUdIe3Up0+1n2uoXh4OH16TlpBnFiuEIYN+uSH8kFWm3XHfZafT75XBE6pRhoxK3T pvbm/3K8rdUdkpl0wsjbiXbInNwUc9c5kYrxp2NO29b1H0usNebIDaktsIi5Dt210h7y Vhco4gQLzodDy8+37+EFZtS2D1KNbqgOYyUoA/JZsryK4rzGMrkkcmr2UW97ZgbNuQiq DO1lGuK+8cr70Xz7EZjuAFo4UNgTV4k8+r6EhDLiS0P46mtqjWy5COC2Yvuvd4izURaD HpqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DEBqrq360WfWtu75g1BPHaXQG6Ls/bbvIPPK17PMTbo=; b=Ek1fN+GZnOmhj9XGYxHcZx/Hdhj0sDnnWoe1pC75KX+W5vhXlaPtZTPgmwv5D2ejAf SwKQbL8eo4Ll9l49yjw67JEHWozwIMsBBFfYllvRN54y3FDg+r8B9qWZGq5tfVy82Pv1 RucyDGOZyq/B02LFutaQWr08OwBkIzLOjbwjJelZLfLQlr8dxwx7Aj6N4Mnu8LCK/KWb SsbyeYh4jz26seF8H4H/7axEPxyZXjxu7u90BSR5rzr9t0lhuFMFOqA02zBtxG8Fzxl1 6CYwyPvvao23OXX0fxd7HJvp7oyLA8FwPk1gHpk1AdNQLII43MDLn9KlSf3y8giT15V7 pHwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLOKiWcEZnVvg07nyPmevRdNiIbeUpKemqEf4CJcyFEFiuZ94NF pTOcvszJcNsT5XdOlo4Ww8A3vltj1Kzieghg7mIeGg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouRA5NcZ1ejbE1cpWv7BkCpwYQIZ5O0UvaxpKwLaCMJAcY6jbiKZvFqOPET31MuuyLymYjnCjPecKvqHz0ELPY= X-Received: by 10.31.159.148 with SMTP id i142mr9844639vke.1.1513228019220; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:06:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20171214014721.GC7123@lonesome.com> <201712140202.vBE22stW041959@mail.karels.net> In-Reply-To: <201712140202.vBE22stW041959@mail.karels.net> From: Ben Woods Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:06:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? To: karels@freebsd.org Cc: Don Lewis , Mark Linimon , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:07:00 -0000 On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 at 3:03 pm, Mike Karels wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 05:45:57PM -0800, Don Lewis wrote: > > > Not really silly. > > > It's silly to be in the default install on an arm board IMHO. > > > mcl > > Presumably dealing with this issue is one of the goals of turning base > into packages, and hopefully there can be different defaults for > different architectures or profiles. I personally think that pkgbase doesn=E2=80=99t answer 2 questions: 1. What mail agent(s) do FreeBSD developers want to maintain the source for in the base tree? 2. What mail agent do we want installed and running on FreeBSD systems by default (without having answered any questions or made any changes... e.g. quickly provisioning 100 jails with a stock install). Sure people can remove packages, but to me that shouldn=E2=80=99t get in th= e way of making changes to match the general consensus answer to these 2 questions (whatever that may be). My vote is for dma, because it is small and simple. If a few features need to be added to dma to make it work for more people, suggest they should be added first (with the status of the necessary steps to progress towards removing sendmail being tracked on a wiki page). I think I am seeing the majority of people are for this, but there are a number of the people in the community and developers who are not. If there is not a clear consensus, perhaps this should be submitted as a FreeBSD Community Proposal (FCP). https://github.com/freebsd/fcp Regards, Ben > -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com