From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 25 20:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24329 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:55:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24319; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (56k-port4037.ime.net [209.90.195.47]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id XAA12751; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:54:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981125234419.00a52100@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:49:43 -0500 To: Doug Russell , "Jonathan M. Bresler" From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Tell Micro$oft what you think Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199811221309.FAA07281@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:46 PM 11/25/98 -0700, Doug Russell wrote: > >On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > >> Charlie Schloemer wrote: >> >> as users of FreeBSD, we should be deeply grateful to these >> hardware companies....we get all the improvement without >> suffering any of the MS induced sludge-ware. > >I'm not so sure about that... Think of the hardware we might be using >today if it weren't for MS domination? The last several generations of >hardware have been built around running windows. AMD's K6es say "Windows >Compatible" on the top, etc.... > >There's definetly two sides to this argument, and I agree with parts of >both. :) > >You can't try to figure how things would be if they were different. :) > >Later...... Well at the same time we have multifunction machines that only work on Windows (I can't even find a MFP for a MAC).. and the invention of Host-Signal Processing modems, which if I remember right, PCTEL Inc. seemed to pave the way for these.. I don't agree with HSP modems because I don't like the fact that you need a fast machine to decode the signals. At the same time, these proposed "Winmodems" generally lack DOS support (with exception to the Lucent Tech ones, and maybe some others). I use a regular External Motorola Modemsurfr, and then on my FreeBSD machine there is a 25th Anniversary Hayes External, and a USR 28.8 External. Windows may have paved the road to general home computing, but some of these 'amazing inventions' would have been better left on the design table. Personally I aim for hardware that works with just about anything. OS Specific hardware (HSP modems, etc.) infringe on the regular home user that just bought a Compaq from the local WalMart to install FreeBSD across a PPP link... --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message