From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 5 15:00:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F391D16A4CE; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnsmail2.umb.com (dnsmail2.umb.com [198.136.201.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468BF43D1F; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Randall.Munden@umb.com) Received: from y8107a.umb.corp.umb.com (viruswall2.umb.com [192.168.3.213]) by dnsmail2.umb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i05N0HPC007903; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:00:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from y6001a.umb.corp.umb.com ([172.19.51.30]) by y8107a with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:00:15 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:00:14 -0600 Message-ID: <79B4EAB03B5E4649A740A8C1452F606435AF1A@y6001a.umb.corp.umb.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Where is FreeBSD going? Thread-Index: AcPTzeiSOcDA2ww5Rba73Nxs97bkCgAEDOfA From: "Munden, Randall J" To: "Brett Glass" , , cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 23:00:20 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brett Glass [mailto:brett@lariat.org]=20 > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:53 PM > To: Munden, Randall J; chris@randomcamel.net;=20 > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Where is FreeBSD going? >=20 >=20 > At 12:40 PM 1/5/2004, Munden, Randall J wrote: > =20 > >Right. What concerns me most is the rise in the incidence of trolls=20 > >all trolling about the same subject or along the same vein. Would=20 > >someone please explain what is going on? As a production=20 > user of fBSD=20 > >this is troubling. >=20 > It's probably one of the Slashdot "BSD is dead" trolls. The=20 > fact is, though, that there ARE things about FreeBSD that=20 > could stand improvement. These days, when I build a box, I am=20 > torn between using FreeBSD 5.x -- which is not ready for=20 > prime time but is at least being worked on actively -- and=20 > using 4.9, which isn't as stable as it should be because the=20 > developers broke the cardinal rule of making radical changes=20 > to -STABLE. This *is* a real issue for those of us who are admins. I think this is what is on my mind these days. I'm preparing to load up some machines for production soon (I've already put it off for too long waiting for 5-STABLE) and I don't like what I'm seeing -- with=20 both the mud slinging here and the performance in the lab (mostly=20 anecdotal). Perhaps I've just become spoiled by each new -RELEASE=20 being ten times better than the previous one or perhaps I'm just=20 becoming a bit neurotic with age but I'm not seeing the progression=20 of improvement I've come to expect (or perhaps only imagined?). Don't misinterpret the above, I <3 fBSD and I'll not soon replace=20 it with anything else. But I do like to look ahead to see what's coming. >=20 > FreeBSD also keeps falling farther and farther behind Linux=20 > in the area of advocacy (and, hence, corporate adoption).=20 > Again, this is a governance=20 > issue. Many of the developers actually have an antipathy=20 > toward advocacy,=20 > since they dislike answering newbie FAQs and don't want too=20 > many people to adopt the OS for fear that it'll overcrowd=20 > their "sandbox." So, some of the criticism is actually valid. I noticed it too but I just chalked it up to being crazy busy and not paying much attention. >=20 > --Brett >=20 >=20