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[198.2.91.142]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t187sm2274393qke.85.2020.02.21.15.42.35 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:42:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <20200218183010.5a52441f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200218205940.04917783.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200219052643.7bd90d3c@scorpio> <20200219130628.457f8953@scorpio> From: Jeremy Faulkner Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:42:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200219130628.457f8953@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48PSgL2Xk4z3D87 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=e3NF8aPC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gldisater@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gldisater@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.13), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.88), asn: 15169(-1.67), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 23:42:40 -0000 On 2020-02-19 1:06 p.m., Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:31:18 -0500, Ed Maste stated: >> That's an unfortunate issue, but it's very hard to make progress >> without getting an affected machine to an appropriate developer. > > Personally, Ed, I think your suggestion is absurd. > > Now, I find that FBSD 12.x will not even install and run on my PC. This > cannot be because the technology is too new. 11.x runs just fine. This > is obviously a problem with the programming. I have been told by you > and others that they need a machine to work on to discover the problem. > Seriously, that is BS. It worked before; they broke it when updating. > If it had never worked, I might have considered donating a piece of > equipment to assist them, but this is obviously not that sort of > problem. > An option other than getting an affected machine to a developer is for you to bisect the commits between the branch of 12-CURRENT and release of 12.0-RELEASE until you find the exact commit that broke the existing support. Then a developer would know where to start. -- Jeremy Faulkner