From owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org Wed Dec 30 22:23:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dev-commits-src-all@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485664D0857; Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D5m5z1Zwwz4lbC; Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1609367031; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PgHb7t4uCOYt42+WdhgQumD5TX+TLvfQDLRJTDXmCdo=; b=xccUqvbyExjeFAcjYIwQrFuvR6B0x/3aMLx7EblYMvhWARMwEZqGj7i8ufFNduDLwgcD31 U4G+vfvRRC7hDbIlnhstmaV+h89EqjvxmG5YGr+w53abNu93FIabT59Ky7YzE1Xlge/3ll iMm7TxxsOI6p+4kCLtjxbawBRKGlatwOPFgbW7rKESdSy9fItFjWXJ887Aj1QsJsg5B7fc 3ZkkjELzZfOuNw54BCcp5PzkVbpWb6mjRHqPbCBfKtZ/dL+/ic5UaS63KIEDehLbooheXA Gpxsb9bxDtrJbFO1rtd8rx0BG4AvHsfoyaNXdlPJn7sWA8XdZRFBAWpRlw8m8g== Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94B2B452; Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:23:47 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: rgrimes@freebsd.org Cc: Ryan Libby , Warner Losh , Kyle Evans , src-committers , dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Subject: Re: git: 70e64ba44941 - main - release.sh: Update GITROOT URL Message-ID: <20201230222347.GF1206@FreeBSD.org> References: <202012302118.0BULIuGd083574@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3607uds81ZQvwCD0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202012302118.0BULIuGd083574@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1609367031; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PgHb7t4uCOYt42+WdhgQumD5TX+TLvfQDLRJTDXmCdo=; b=vH5B/VNOo15kMmd4NMQr+2n9ubbAdHfofs7jfQ2hMsLjfj4HPhucrVbXPEebdsGIgyAGG3 W8+S59+4MFfAfmM+UHx8uIwgM8AGiaGwoDa8r4SYOkCpbbzoyR4bQHtxQbiwE0xBooZXNU EUs0q6MmRUmJAgJcroCGUK9bgu/Q73k+J2izQX0CRQ0B/6+5tF59Rne8WhXjuY25IpggmY xRs2Ew/4lU0+SC+2Ot6WlUWY8BvzFXwu9IdeacWYElIuRDUzlcZ879Dy51sCJRHgDOz/AY /fRhp/2wS11AIgZfMRNuhBOCeRC6ENaLp5KJzgOCgm4t700QCHlsa1AOTpfnSg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1609367031; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=xv01XKgd6tUyk2B9jpaSJWIr+tkUGDRxvngfDne5XNKbOsrB2oEvxalK54scrdD/l1rhe4 dbKp4r8jOLntBodNi7m+HBLbCHgq1BPeuHIwzarRaUvm/yW/4+2D5U6lOJXhjoTVgImZXh X4KftR96Lr5X1GIMRhEY7ng4VVVqt1LpyY/yBhQMKr+HPYXg8ebSdizd+/sPOE5IpgkwNI ahupFV1G1xzk6kwHifur+KPkr5mf8FzclKtkB27kC9VK3WcAKAOBujoKgZU8bkP9YW/Udf NJjXo3EohjGiOM8SJHzvngpzIn3L+8duVqfVSDbnXGZVn2A4FPWz7B/yyrNK5A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:23:51 -0000 --3607uds81ZQvwCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 01:18:56PM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > First take your self OUT of developer mode, and into operations > and administration. >=20 > Take for example all the files in /etc, these files can easily > at present often be tracked back to exactly what release installed > them cause the $FreeBSD$ points you at it. These files are often > modified by local administrators, and with out knowing what version > they started out it is a crap shoot to ever figure it out unless > the local mods are minor and you get lucky. >=20 > Contractors are some times hired to go in and upgrade or clean up > after someone else did work, and not having this information and > telling them to go dig in git to try and figure out the state of > there system is pretty much a non-started, well at least it is for > me. >=20 This, IMHO, is a problem best solved with some sort of system configuration management tool (cfengine, puppet, custom management scripts, whatever your flavor of Kool-Aid is on that day), and not by a version control system, distributed or otherwise. 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