From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 22 21:26:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FE51065745 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-hackers@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845C58FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NNCFL-0005lD-6Z for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:26:23 +0100 Received: from CPE00134609fbfb-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([99.226.150.73]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:26:23 +0100 Received: from jasonspiro4 by CPE00134609fbfb-CM0013718690da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:26:23 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Jason Spiro Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20091222081401.GB13725@enc.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 99.226.150.73 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.0.13) Gecko/2009080717 Firefox/3.0.13) Sender: news Subject: Re: Suggestion: rename "killall" to "fkill", but wait five years to phase the new name in X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:26:26 -0000 Craig Small enc.com.au> writes: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 01:31:02AM -0500, Jason A. Spiro wrote: > > Hello Jason (and the FreeBSD folk), > > The problem for me is that killall in Linux has been called that for a > very long time now. psmisc came out 11 years ago and before that killall > was in procps. I'm not sure when but the copyright message says 1994. > > That's 16 years or more of people getting very used to killall doing > what it does and being called killall. I know of the problem you refer > to having administered Solaris servers before, but changing the name now > will cause more problems than it solves. What problems will it cause, other than a torrent of complaints? > > Craig, and hackers, are you both willing to do this? > > I'm not. Even though I just got a new SATA drive its not big enough to > handle the torrent of emails from people saying "why did i do that" and > "who cares about Solaris" etc etc if I did change it. I can create a special email address for this, you can mention "Complaints to" and the new address in the warning message, and I can try to reply to everyone. I will make use of form letters whenever it makes sense to. > Sounds like its a no from FreeBSD folk too. In fact to me its more > important my various programs look the same(ish) across the Linux > distributions and to FreeBSD than they are to Solaris. [snip] I will reply to Xin's "no" message later. I agree that it's a good idea that you and the FreeBSD folk should use the same name for the same utility.