From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 18 17:35:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C842F37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0F143E4A; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D2C8133C; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:31:54 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:31:54 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alfred Pythonstein , Mike Cheponis Cc: chat@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org Subject: Re: It's dead Jim Message-ID: <20020819000154.GC43138@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 18 August 2002 at 7:23:31 -0700, Alfred Pythonstein wrote: > Mad propz to Hiten 'imbecile' Pandya, btw... > > It is official -- Netcraft is now confirming: *BSD is dying Mike, is that you? > You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The > hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't > be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking > very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose > market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. > > FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core > developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD > developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point > more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying. > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many > users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD > posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about > 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the > volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A > recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. > Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is > consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went > out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. > Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. > *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If > *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD > continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point > in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. > > Fact: *BSD is dying Fact: this claim is over a year old. On Sunday, 22 April 2001 at 14:44:28 -0700, Mike Cheponis wrote: > Seen on slashdot today: > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/04/22/0056207&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=80 > > "We should all keep in mind this simple truth: *BSD is dying. > > You don't need to be Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand > writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there > won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are > looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD > continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How > many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD > versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to > 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts > on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore > there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at > about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are > (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the > number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, > FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell > another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to > another charnel house. > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market > share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are > very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyists, > dabblers, and dilettantes. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of > a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical > purposes, *BSD is dead. " Fact: trolls are facing hard times. Fact: trolls are dying. This one is dead, but hasn't noticed it yet. 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