From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Feb 7 20:53:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1879422DAD8 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darkfiberiru@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x144.google.com (mail-lf1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48DnZW6Hcvz41KW for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darkfiberiru@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x144.google.com with SMTP id 203so230390lfa.12 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:53:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9hYIWBEShm+hQNd6CFzo0XMHTP4oqinW9bUmtXq8J50=; b=CNmbhApIjdORp7IfyzPWvTpdkWptlQcinZdxXMf+z9PRgWGYKW5zNAisxzdK7Y8Ipc D1bGb6erdBAwU06Kfhf2Tjvjnj9jM6bFiQlhVzhQMlO2TTYBzT9SlyFr4B11otBj0BKG JJAk05XcckBd36d1y8gIgWNYiPlLYCNQi9uGQ9LWoR6MZarf/ewIB72Qvs7YJreUmrV0 CuMGepcLXgGFB+jVu5ySorOo8OFuqFZfKxityw3FqKL5L34Cr/3AfmegqzF5LzF2A+VA LK0+vk8M78DwhPjdoEDnJa7d3UC4FZjoI7huIZGbOZs8Dst1fQ2pVJOvylPItJEhaSGb DzBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9hYIWBEShm+hQNd6CFzo0XMHTP4oqinW9bUmtXq8J50=; b=LCxRESJjaN5tQ3DapQ3kbuHsaahC3npf1mlXPttbJZvHbO426Iu3ywHpS/QAcL3ND3 3qICevSfYDimcbs8xEntuYK8ChHJ8T0BMC2VVvBeu+felHIyvVhVhd8Y7lu1F+BQsr28 YixNoey/eOpVXxK9KhT5d6IsmsPGOZrPwilja+xIUBMZX39QhBtQVqN6D2CwL5FLGVmT p86RxhQt+skjlhcGXuVevV9WgCchTE8hLItFgVGOq2LHCE2124p6xbZ1iKX6mOqmxrxW d22M9eBivtopS+YVqNzhCPryMpj2GZXLnXwcPc2dwOufZgwSo1ZqCP8s0LuL012++15A Uj1w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVQIB1F5jiDwdecQOR07epGFmp3J8dNUZQov61VuZ2WdprAuxLA dyQi608R+lCqb0lf0BWJNj3wFMTkZ/nOyJLbmdmih2+4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwWnp5kWSaZ7DTopdw2zBES78uSr+xIwLbfx+nPjz3qqZsHp98+Ujsu9OfkKPiWZJk6qNzSL7qTjCUqCo9gaIs= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4945:: with SMTP id o5mr342016lfi.93.1581108801455; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:53:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Nick Wolff Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:53:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: updating cron and atrun To: Josh Aas Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48DnZW6Hcvz41KW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=CNmbhApI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of darkfiberiru@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::144 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=darkfiberiru@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (2.57), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.49), asn: 15169(-1.74), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:53:25 -0000 John, Thanks for taking the time to do the research and review. On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 9:19 AM Josh Aas wrote: > I was looking for a way to contribute to FreeBSD and I decided to look > into the cron/atrun project listed on this page: > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Improve_cron.288.29_and_atrun.288.29 > > I looked into the current code, commits from the past decade, and the > lineage of other versions of cron to see if there is a reasonable plan > for updating FreeBSD=E2=80=99s cron based on another version. It doesn't = seem > like there are any particularly productive new path to take here. ISC > cron is old and unmaintained, and I don=E2=80=99t think NetBSD or OpenBSD= cron > is interesting enough to be worth entirely rebasing on. On top of > that, FreeBSD cron seems to have some FreeBSD-specific functionality > that we=E2=80=99d still need to maintain or =E2=80=9Cupstream=E2=80=9D el= sewhere. > > I=E2=80=99d recommend continuing with the current status quo - keep FreeB= SD=E2=80=99s > version of cron and occasionally pull in security/stability patches as > applicable from OpenBSD or NetBSD. The other options are a lot of work > for little (if any) gain. Happy to hear other opinions though. > > Integrating atrun into cron might be nice but isn=E2=80=99t very interest= ing > IMO. Seems very possible that the cost of that churn outweighs the > benefit. I=E2=80=99d love to hear more about why this is a particularly g= ood > idea if people believe it is. Maybe I=E2=80=99m missing something. > > If people agree I=E2=80=99d recommend removing the cron and atrun suggest= ion > on the Ideas Page. Maintaining that page seems like a pain though, > might I recommend keeping track of these ideas as bugzilla bugs, > tagged with something like =E2=80=9Cideaslist=E2=80=9D? Then you can just= link to that > search. > > -- > Josh Aas > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >