From owner-cvs-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 7 08:22:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A10216A468; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1D813C46A; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p54a5cbce.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.203.206]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59EE2E194; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729AE5B490D; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:22:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l578MTLe038554; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:22:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:22:29 +0200 Message-ID: <20070607102229.98t8ak5kmoo8woco@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:22:29 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Mark Linimon References: <200706061625.l56GP3lo043614@repoman.freebsd.org> <20070606200421.GA5453@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1181165084.76200.1.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> <20070606214112.GB6716@rot13.obsecurity.org> <1181173452.30365.20.camel@vonnegut> <20070607014450.GA17218@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20070607015538.GB23820@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20070607015538.GB23820@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) / FreeBSD-7.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-13.603, required 8, BAYES_00 -15.00, DKIM_POLICY_SIGNSOME 0.00, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 1.40) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Pav, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, ports-committers@FreeBSD.org, Eric Anholt , Lucistnik , Kris Kennaway , cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/libX11 Makefile distinfo manpages pkg-plist ports/x11/libX11/files patch-src_ImUtil.c X-BeenThere: cvs-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:22:55 -0000 Quoting Mark Linimon (from Wed, 6 Jun 2007 =20 20:55:38 -0500): > On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 09:44:50PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> The FreeBSD project does not have the resources (or desire) to effectivel= y >> do full-time incremental X.org release engineering because of X.org >> changes being continuously pushed into ports. Who decides what is going in and what not? What changes are allowed to =20 go in and which aren't (read: what's the definition of "important" =20 here)? > The last I checked, i386 package builds take ~5 days, amd64 take ~7 days, > sparc64 take more than 3 weeks. If we push point releases any faster than > these dates, we will never have current packages. I think this would be > a serious mistake. 4 weeks would be still too fast for changes to X11 ports, I assume. > I've spent a lot of time looking at why packages are so far behind the > ports and the deep dependency trees are the major part of the problem. So switching to recording explicit dependencies only would give a =20 speed improvement in this case (why shall we rebuild an application =20 which depends on some gnome libs but doesn't make some X11 API calls =20 directly, the package will not change significantly)? Bye, Alexander. --=20 Keep your boss's boss off your boss's back. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137