From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Feb 5 16:42:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29102 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29074; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25003; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:41:19 -0800 (PST) To: dg@root.com cc: Karl Denninger , spork@super-g.com (spork), tqbf@enteract.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Blacklisting and being "asked" to deinstall FreeBSD - you heard that right! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:36:34 PST." <199702052336.PAA12468@root.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 16:41:18 -0800 Message-ID: <24999.855189678@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > representing us called you until just a couple of minutes ago. Jordan is not > representing the core team if he has told you to do the above, and he does > not have the support of any of us in this issue. It's also not what I told Karl, but he will slant things as he will. I suggested he might want to seek other alternatives if we were such cretins in his eyes (his letter have hardly been complimentary up to now, let's put it that way) and that OpenBSD seemed to have a security policy more in-line with his own demands. Ironically, the whole call started with my asking Karl how we were going to deal with all of this and if he could possibly moderate his style and toss in less of these "NOW!" demands that have everyone so up in arms so that there might actually be some future for all of us. He wanted no part of such a discussion as he did not see himself as any component of the problem, so I then suggested that since he had garnered so much ill-will here (and he has) and did not see any value in a more moderate approach, he might investigate OpenBSD. This was an option which Karl not only flat-out refused but somehow took as an injunction to "leave", as if such could even be possible with a free software project, and an accusation that I even refuted during the conversation by telling him that of course I couldn't "stop him from running FreeBSD" and I was merely suggesting what seemed to be a better alternative for him (if even half of OpenBSD's security claims can be believed). I still feel that way. However, I do not see why Karl feels so compelled to discuss all of this in inappropriate mailing lists like this one, and I think that it really does need to go to -chat RIGHT NOW to borrow some caps from Karl or see the rest of this thread filtered for abusing the mailing list charter. That is no more or less than we've requested from others in the past, and if Karl feels singled-out by the need to obey basic netiquette then that's hardly my fault. To most folks who've been forced to endure this so far, it's just unwelcome noise and lots of it. I don't need it, you don't need it, core doesn't need it and I daresay that Karl doesn't need it. Jordan