From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 10 11:57:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2645F152F1 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 8965 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1999 19:56:55 -0000 Received: from userae22.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.131.164) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1999 19:56:55 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id TAA00912; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:56:28 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:56:27 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Group problems Message-ID: <19991110195627.A319@marder-1> References: <99110818305400.00416@machine.beastie.org> <19991109231030.A980@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 08:21:49AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Mark Ovens writes: > > > Hmm, didn't know that. Why, though? reboot(8) can't be run as a > > normal user and the only difference I can see between the two is > > that shutdown(8) broadcasts a "System going down" warning. Is this > > just an historical thing or is there a more subtle reason? > > shutdown has several extra features: it allows you to schedule the > reboot for a point in the future, it writes those warnings to users' > terminals, and it tries to get init to shut down other processes before > it actually stops it. The last one is a good enough reason to *always* > use shutdown in multiuser mode unless you have a good reason not to. > I realize that, but ``shutdown -r now'' is just as final (and instantaneous) as ``reboot'' yet mere mortals are permitted to use it (assuming they are members of the group wheel). Surely, from a security point of view, only one user (root) should be able to halt/reboot a machine; or are all members of wheel supposed to be intelligent, considerate (towards other users) individuals? > Be well. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message