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Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:58:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Default parameters for NanoBSD To: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org References: <70eb2817-31d6-5671-11c2-dc2c4cc21850@free.fr> From: Karl Denninger Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=karl@denninger.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBF1Rd+gBEACmLAH7SAzdQq57ZN56QQEy0jDFfH5BvGOMZgCaP+Y5lJQ5u9WphCoCALMs Rg0o1Q9DRNWgUmy/cgsxioXAEzZFXXzOHPJhwplVOgfjxnoByD5KQhWG8Owm9QmATdtiZPSV 4UYVNUIbZv7btSnnAXysG2OUHajYS5PVeFQxFbhNFq/SS8VaXr1WEVTFa8NFKp2W3/KY1A+U KKDUlYwnOauK3fnY9chF2IRSoxAbBJFrJ4lPGz04HtzNos4Q9CBfTphKcdFjcPntNS9wrqs3 sm+7hLNTH9B2Kj6aekG5UhD03eyP+gevTgBy51RL6ULzI13Kc4aeyOByuBXrA8D2m2Ee67iy 4+ZSxM9Wn1gQce5624OWzCYIGBH2r75Bshp1KHKu36N2rN//kyKYnwl/z6UZB/S9cMUFKZgL gFx7QxpFX/HvSiBcPfcGS0meModpg6qma7/2jRoQAXacslpiT+uOfRGspNbnglkbw435RzX/ kMUclJQNZBBBUpPiGjVCjeBTiAfN8TyjS+pWzwxNCUZWbYO5xVaS0gbIhgVNoBOGn1rdTsdA PP65SRjaoL5KY6bzkkzrXLB2Djx8/p4vr0qIqxIQWbewJq3xKyKGiqI46ae77BF7k0B++Ndx g9K9UeWKl/iJ0eoI0ftR+xH3aIHTU1Or3j/tj4j8Z0tnVSyt1wARAQABtCNLYXJsIERlbm5p bmdlciA8a2FybEBkZW5uaW5nZXIubmV0PokCPwQTAQgAKQUCXVF36AIbIwUJCWYBgAcLCQgH AwIBBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEG8twBXrj1l4swkP/3uOzRxW16K6H4JIEIRMUEbt nxDhmk+gR/7H9phg7HtvR7i22QejZX1N1NHcGRNmBwLshWVjJkHKhCE/AM8Cf9XyaV2ft6qn g1xK6NuhapxVuaaMeCVPUzsPkTcR+JMl72ZR4Q+mJMVQButCITekmr7aIzIZ80fF0t86rnq+ O74ZGt0SAMsLV/GAKlIw8fGMi9Xj4OKDgqmxTnIoV4+0mpo26W957pnlOrjN3/6VqWUyAdHH DkyqsuP/9jx2f5pZCcD7X04+93GI+sGb1s6BOFRHq2oJgs6W0z0nPx5Ks9MDDgSQlxXAryje 17WphTR7DWn1BeF3Y8AhRkzc2+Mgc5s1i2fPe6YwvksDNOEyNXIvFV7chwDQYb0Q3I8XsoHu 2WUjXp0kVokobJPdVdY55nbY+brezweRJMiEpFtGOmoUekQWlI5KS1kE8+Xuqpm+MSxEpqY8 5ncPt0lekOrICGajlOotkUK86iVemlW1rMzMc5Xwp9j8oxa+bRtGD6u1rYz4i+qIdE+GSCBy 1nnHN/my0nefhQyHXr8wGVEbyiMZCten9fm1iXpBr0jY+tvtbo8XqZQG7Lr+3kSO6VUgc8kW IPf2HxIV7AnGUN+ddZGCcPPhb2mY/Yy7si54wJFj6YoG+/+rNjF9F5d8WeLoeUWczgHTvZmS o6F7UhjjuwzguQINBF1Rd+gBEADNVFS8nQ+kpKOpgtP+f3bCVxHAm7eHMbX6oew5yZiQwfD+ 1RWNWLVOMeTt7G2e5HsHpJOUwFUJhbDb0omB0r38xTSVSAig9kmUfb7tTMJG2bG7WfWykBOM WIZ4OhCf+ISv9dUkjNgx4ionWotFxwDiPRwWumVQ7WYZmRZlhDWMiaHgKvBrjJ7Y6GKPRbQc 5/0Qz9xGhXKlFxDQrrSMkyRThIOxXqdfD9z3rEsV3ZwOojzNsnkIImnQMKyIAR0FBQop34G9 wDQi7fxk8wGIfDszwfR4oAdDdPGq4gcAvE7Fd3xKyNpGyjSED5szoaFjldaZSXQIffquSUvy sFCTTLRIso5Dn9uQgi57gIv+5mnyKBfm2Z2P6pEQPSt073TED9rS0+JpniJL7rKRVpO5niqw sQJS6ht+JF88rXro+SiwxD/KeDpTuuJ10+ohLVi1Y+X82X7BIQEhqtFp9FVJSds4o/eNyaHd SoqfoeWMy3EV+rdJ3DneXcPS1BgxO57Rko5Hx3NUSVK83ovFb+Ofes9SLNdqNu3xAUcfpRdS DyxzpVbCq6Y2CIojiaweiYe5BOBhmR9OPGhqP8YD7GukYmQufAVuOrIVyctBlVPHgMBb+UX+ ItYXuX4weSJWLOsmM45xd/EYvBq2DWFpKlyihoktNzTGqxGsNeG7gCOEUTAnUwARAQABiQIl BBgBCAAPBQJdUXfoAhsMBQkJZgGAAAoJEG8twBXrj1l4Dm0P/iEx2gIHSOnvgpG799Vf2RM0 7gPbDWzDaw8YTV49H+VTOqq7RlT52aO0QfNAmtppX0V1/5f30fuSCF46NWnYGu35P/LvOAPb sLbeWCyJy4GOPN4cjsBMbgmooGdl24RdcvGMmY177o7oOSWBqXfhAj+YA6r+hEar1qxqLgwB Gy8wAId4qYSQhN/FxiQbyUs2tPAI6Wn/41pI7Hu6WgmRGpZrBv8HhVV9Gl7jallSsS/g+fhu WRbDKCknUS5SX3+w2AUFr4kf62gSSxXBxd075KnViV9c0sraAPI31XbM5QUc0Xssfaqs6Srr z4MjKaLhb7GD8C1JwI23PuGdFvk9WK996UvIyjdWIE99VSlg/5gEKkXzwx7oysrSG9BqkfGf I4addK55xRQPul0V3s2LtDoQTxg3VHrL6wrvGhYUcTHLmlsvNx1EOb5a3xBT+SUK/Ltq08LW YcmNbU/G217MlfvDJYHCb0uOtxqJFm8RiZGj2eEcLgvyWnlWCD2rfP4EqCxmpr3Ic725FiQR cBbdTV3clTgclhBG3TA9dxVjfZDcatz5cFBwXP8k5Yn9tNl90T2r79V4SNh1mCHtGTSEf449 qz9tm7EguLchjmoirJTuiipZKcalcHAHtz4VPUykdXsrfEJTzdEcujzqF6v/9CY+DjpAd3et Z0vw7xC5tS+b Message-ID: <06cd90cd-cb9c-a91e-f8c7-3bcdd1e4a226@denninger.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:58:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[denninger.net]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:104.236.64.0/18, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[197.57.1.68.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:59:35 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010104010909080000010902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9/10/2019 08:53, Warner Losh wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 3:28 AM Fabien Costard = > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> This is a question about the default values used for the nanobsd. >> In the current default configuration (defaults.sh), the media size is >> set to 2000000 (NANO_MEDIASIZE=3D2000000). >> This size (1GB) does not allow to make an image when you follow the >> documentation online. >> >> I know that the purpose of the nanobsd is to make "light" FreeBSD syst= em >> but would it be better to change the default media size when someone >> (like me) try to use and understand it step by step ? >> >> I found the media size have to be 9600000 (around 4.8GB) (to work with= 2 >> images) >> >> What do you think about it ? >> > I built an image yesterday, and 1GB was still large enough. What arch w= ere > you doing? What other things went onto the package? FreeBSD itself, wit= hout > compilers, should clock in around 300MB. > > I have no problem bumping the size. Today it's hard to buy something > smaller than 16GB (though there's a lot of lots of 4GB and 8GB on amazo= n, > the sweet spot for price has moved to 32GB). It's likely time. I like t= o > keep it small because the images are copied around and that takes up sp= ace. > > Warner "xz" is excellent at turning a "sparse" NanoBSD file into something more-representative of the actual bits on the disk as opposed to the allocated size.... --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms010104010909080000010902 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL MQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECAwHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBwwJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkw FwYDVQQKDBBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRgwFgYDVQQLDA9DdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgQ0ExITAf BgNVBAMMGEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgMjAxNyBDQTAeFw0xNzA4MTcxNjQyMTdaFw0yNzA4 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