From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 8 22:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21462 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21456 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from struct. (algae14.verinet.com [199.45.181.110]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA09172; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:51:56 -0600 Received: from verinet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by struct. (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18498; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Message-ID: <35F61765.841E729F@verinet.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:51:33 -0600 From: Allen Campbell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoav Cohen-Sivan CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle and Linux References: <199809081815.OAA02209@pechter.dyn.ml.org> <199809082013.NAA00438@dingo.cdrom.com> <19980908143112.A17826@verinet.com> <35F58E86.EB6ABE7@netvision.net.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote: > That would be a big mistake. Flood them with thousands of phoney > requests, get them to commit megabucks in the Freenix space. Your presumption is that I advocate making 'phoney' requests. I said no such thing. Although credible claims of demand are always most effective, simple advocacy is enough; to say that FreeBSD and/or Linux is in your estimation a worthy platform and that you support Oracle in these efforts is justified and worthwhile. Stuff your presumption. > Then, when > they release the product, say: "Um, sorry... we just wanted you to port, > we don't really need it." Having only 50 people buy it, after thousands > clamored, will reach one goal only: you can bet Oracle will drop out of > the Freenix scene for the next ten years. Not to mention them telling > other companies what a waste of resources it was. Ye of little faith. Oracle will be overwhelmed with the response. Don't doubt that. Of course, I can't really make that promise. I have only anecdotal evidence which tells me this is going to be very big. So you stick to your position on this and we'll see. > Let true market forces work. No need to cheat someone into a port, when > there is no real demand for it, just so we can say: "Look, we have ten > gazillion apps..." Market forces _are_ working, no? Oracle made the decision to take on this market. It remains to be seen if they have cheated themselves. In the mean time, a bit of hype won't hurt. > > One administrator who recognizes the potential of Linux is worth > > several ordinary admins, and one FreeBSD admin is worth at least > > three or four typical Linux guys. :) > > Jordan wrote a really nice editorial for freshmeat.net, about a month > ago, on this topic. Why do Linux and FreeBSD advocates hate each other > so much? We are in this together. See the :) Yoav? Acknowledge an attempt at humor without getting your shorts in a tight little bind. Silence would be my preference. -- Allen Campbell | Lurking at the bottom of the allenc@verinet.com | gravity well, getting old. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message