From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Jul 11 22:58:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04103 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [204.97.248.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04096 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kimiko.tcguy.net (buxton-15.ime.net [206.231.148.144]) by ime.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA06371; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31E5E93C.268F@ime.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:57:16 -0400 From: Gary Chrysler Reply-To: tcg@ime.net Organization: The Computer Guy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey CC: Terry Lambert , Martin Loeffler , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: forcing a modem to hangup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Gary Chrysler wrote: > > > > Gary, those of us that know how to use breakout boxes, and have dealt > > > with serial commercially, usually react violently against internal > > > modems, just because they eliminate two of the most commonly used > > > troubleshooting tools (front panel lights and breakout boxes). If you > > > don't know how to use them, or aren't used to these tools, I guess you > > > might be less than understanding about the attitude, but there's a good > > > reason behind it. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone with technical > > > experience in maintaining comm lines that would disagree. > > > > > > > Interesting, "Those of us" Implies my exclusion. > > > > You sure seem to know an awefull lot about something you know > > nothing about! > > I don't understand why you are getting impolite about it. I didn't exclude > you, nor insult you. I've worked in communications, either voice or > data, for years, so I think I probably know _something_ about it. > Welp, I took the "Those of us" as an exclusion of me! (As if you were stating I didn't know about or use BO) And the "knowing about nothing" part was you NOT knowing ANYTHING about me or what I know! Not what *you* may or may not know about communications! I don't know you, what you do or know and would never make an assumption like that! I take people at thier word untill they prove otherwise! If I did in fact take it wrong, I am very very sorry! I was trying _NOT_ to be impolite! > > > There's a difference between trusting troubleshooting software, and > > > seeing results with your eyes. > > > > Neither one is any good if you don't know how to use them. > > Well, I sure can't disagree with that. I was explaining why many folks > have a severe allergy towards internal modems. Do you disagree with that? > O yes, I do agree that alot of people have thier opinions! Mine is Internal! Thats why I made the comment to Terry! I wish very much that I had left in a part that I started and removed before sending! It was something like: Thats a matter of opinion Terry. Depends on the usage! For the general user an External is a pain in the ***. They both have thier uses though. > I guess I was suggesting that if you did know how to use the tools, then > using internal modems denied them to you. > Yes, They sure do, But there is a whole other group of tools! IMHO Simpler tools at that! Sure I agree once you are used to something it's tough to change! I'm sitting here trying very hard to break such a habbit! 3 _finger_typing_! :( -Enjoy Gary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Improve America's Knowledge... Share yours The Borg... Where minds meet (207) 929-3848